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Please dont start with all that net nonesense, he spent close to 200 million pounds on players who were not good enough and thats the bottom line. As supporters we are not interested on what money we get back for a player we are only interested if the player we have bought is good enough when he runs around the pitch and how much we have had to pay for him. That monster Benitez wasted over 100 million on Keane, Johnson, Mascherano, Aqualani and that waster Torres the feller who cant even be ars*d putting in a shift for us, alone.

I'm very much interested in how much we get back from sales of 'dud' players. Torres has the best scoring ratio of any liverpool striker so he does not come into the category of 'waster'. I seem to remember that Keane was signed against the wishes of benetez. Aquilani is a goood player but I would agree never going to fit into a premiership team he would have been a lot better than poulson and he was improving at the end of benitez's reign. He bought a lot of rubbish like babel it is true but dalglish bought a lot of rubbish at the end of his reign

Reclaim, obviously having a large net spend in any season does make a difference and I don't care what you say. Chelsea where shaite before roman came along, next min when abramovich comes along he throws money at them, they finish second. He throws another 100mill in the kitty in the squad and then they win the league. Same with city, where are they now in the league? If rafa would have had 200mill given to him when he started at Liverpool we would of won the league

Benitez has spent more than nearly everyone in the last five years and thats a fact. My argument is that we as supporters are not interested in how much money we get back on players but on how much we spend on them and how good they are. So according to all this net spent rubbish Dalglish was'nt really our record signing because he cost us minus
60,000 because Kevin Keegan was sold for 500,000 and Peter Beardley cost us fu*k all too because we got 3.2 million for Rushie when he went to Juve, thats what I mean about all this NET is a load of boll*ks. I have never in my life heard this word NET spent ever brought up when discussing managers spending like Shanks, Sir Bob, Joe, Dalglish, Souey, Roy Evans or even Gerard Houllier.

So do you think rafa spent loads on players over the 10 million mark. Most of rafas buys where between the 5-9million mark. Players he had to take chances on

just use net spend for totals not indivual buys

i always thought rafa was decent in the transfer market, he signed too many make weights and sold some of our better players though.

but he was good at raising funds, because he had to. and he'd always offer a couple of players in exchange who were suprlus to requirements to sweeten some deals

Exactly, we had to sell Garcia and Bellamy to fund part of the torres deal

Benitez off the top of my head was forced to sell only one player and that was Michael Owen all the rest he wanted shut of, so none of them were forced selling, every manager has to do gardening work on his squad so thats no excuse either. At the end of the day and no matter where Hicks and Gillett found the money from they still gave Benitez about 170 million to spend based on the managers judgement on a player and he came up woefuly short in that department as he only staying in a league title challenge after xmas just the once in six years proves. Benitez league challenges and finishes were only the same as Houllier give or take a few points here and there which proves we never really improved from the previous regime even though we spent alot more money and on more 20 million pound players.

More on 20 million pound players you having a laugh, torres was the only 20million pound player he bought, where's these more? Aqualani, we paid 5 mill for him rest was on appearances, which is prob the reason we have shipped him out on loan. You make me laugh mate, the only players rafa bought over 10 mill where alonso, babel, keane, torres and mascherano. And torres was the only 20+mill player in there. And he didn't even want keane, which brings me to my next point, where the [oops] did the keane money go once we sold him?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14612...l-football-club

When we say 20 million we are talking around the 20 million pound mark Johnsom 18, Maschearno 18.5, Keane over 20, Aqualani around the 20, Torres over 20 so you see these are all 20 million pound players give or take. You talk about the Keane money and where it went, your missing the whole point of what we are saying here, We are questioning Benitez judgement on a player and no matter what we get back or how much he's worth The board still gave Benitez the 20 million pound on the back of his judgement on a player. Take Aqualani for instance Benitez obviously identified him as a player he wanted so he went to Hicks and Gillett for the money, Roma valued him in the 20 million pound bracket but Benitez thought he was worth it so proceeded through with the sale, Aqualani flopped so Benitez judgement is called into question because of this, this is how a manager gets judged in the transfer market by fans it has nothing to do with what we get back or what payment have or have not be payed it's all about wether it was right to sign him for the money or not. This is why Benitez failed with all his big money signings, Torres failed because apart from his first season he has been a liability through injuries similar to what Owen Hargreaves is when United signed him but not quite as bad.