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Blackpool fan here. Also a big Gerrard fan.

With all the media comments about boxing punches I was expecting a Eubank vs Benn scenario. So I was pretty surprised when I saw the video last night.

As a few of you have said on here, it's very inconclusive as Gerrards punches are obscured.

But from the video alone, Gerrard's claims that it was self-defence look very weak. He went back to the guy. The guy stood up, Doran elbowed him and Gerrard gave him a couple of digs. True, we don't know what was said, but even so, the victim only stood up and didn't appear to hit anyone. It doesn't feel anything like self-defence to me. Especially given it was 2 vs 1.

Gerrard should have known better. If he hadn't gone back to the guy, none of this would have happened.

Anyway. Hope it all gets sorted out before the start of the season. Should be a good one.

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Unfortunately Stevie doesn't look too clever in this situation, He's lost his head for a moment and this w**ker is making the most of it. Am disappionted by arrogant stance of Gerrard if (alleged) words used by him are true.

Bit of a reality check for our captain..but don't lock him up!

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by The Mail

Liverpool star Steven Gerrard 'pulled jumper over businessman's head before launching barrage of blows' in bar room brawl

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard pulled a jumper over a businessman's head before attacking him during a nightclub brawl, a court heard today.

Marcus McGee, 34, said he faced a 'barrage' of blows after the Liverpool captain asked him 'who the f***' he thought he was when he refused to hand over a remote control for a CD player.

Mr McGee lost a front tooth crown in the attack in the early hours of December 29 last year, Liverpool Crown Court heard.

Mr McGee, who was initially attacked by Gerrard's friend John Doran, said he thought the soccer player struck the first blow.

He said: 'I remember a barrage of punches coming in at my face but I didn't know who has done what.

'Having watched the CCTV it was obvious Steven Gerrard hits me a couple of times, maybe three times but I couldn't honestly say on the night.

'I didn't know who did what.'

But barman Nathaniel Lockie, 20, who was working that night, said Gerrard used his left hand to pull Mr McGee's jumper over his head before launching uppercuts with his right.

He added that he thought Doran was Gerrard's minder 'by the way he presented himself'.

Mr McGee said he was in the Lounge Inn with his girlfriend Gina Lond and was asked by the manager to be in charge of the music.

Watching the CCTV footage along with the seven women and five men of the jury, Mr McGee said he threw no punches and was in a 'nondescript' mood.

Being led through his evidence by prosecuting barrister David Turner QC, Mr McGee explained what happened before the trouble began.

Reliving the 2am row over the CD player, Mr McGee said the millionaire father-of-two footballer tried to grab a card from his hand which controlled the stereo.

He said: 'Mr Gerrard came to me from my left hand side and requested he wanted control of the music.

'It was something to the effect of "Here you are, lad, give me that."'

'You recognised Steven Gerrard?" asked Mr Turner. 'Of course,' replied Mr McGee.

'I didn't give it to him. It wasn't my permission to be giving it out to somebody else, it was my job so I didn't hand it over.

'He made a move to try to grab the card to take it away and I remember it slipped on the floor at one stage.

'He then walked away, that was the end of it.'

Gerrard, who was in the club with friends to celebrate Liverpool's 5-1 win over Newcastle Utd, is shown on CCTV walking away before he returned several minutes later.

Gerrard, wearing a blue v-neck jumper, later returned to businessman Mr McGee, who was sitting alone at the bar.

He said the Anfield hero leaned down to speak to him.

'I got up,' he said because Gerrard had seconds earlier allegedly asked 'Who the f*** do you think you are?'

Mr McGee said: 'When someone says something like that to you, well, I felt threatened and vulnerable sitting down and looking up so my instinct was to stand up and talk to him.'

Asked if he could recall what was said, he added: 'Not really.

'In my statement I didn't recall the conversation but looking at my hand movements I was asking him how he would react if somebody came up to him and wanted to take something off him in a manner I found to be rude.

'I was just asking him what he was talking about but don't recall 100 per cent what the conversation was about.

'I gave my statement in the 100 per cent firm belief it was Steven Gerrard who hit me first.

'I was concentrating primarily on Steven because he was so close to me.

'The next thing I knew there was a bloke at the side of me.

'I gave that statement in good faith but changed it after watching the CCTV.'

Mr McGee said he was innocent, saying: 'I didn't throw any punches, I wasn't acting aggressively, I didn't hit anyone at all.'

He told Gerrard's barrister, John Kelsey-Fry, that because the footballer was famous he didn't expect any trouble.

Mr McGee said: 'When I saw him walking over to me, because he's a famous person I didn't think I'm going to have a fight or trouble, so when I saw him walking over I didn't think there was going to be any trouble.'

He said he was left 'reeling' after being elbowed by John Doran and did not initially try to defend himself.

He said he ended up on the floor being kicked - which Gerrard is not accused of taking part in - and eventually stood up to defend himself.

He said the footballer had a bad attitude when they first spoke about the music.

Mr McGee said: 'His request, his attitude I would describe as bad, it was bad and it was rude, it was bad tempered, so straightaway I was acting proportionate to how his attitude was.'

He said he found it offensive the footballer had addressed him as 'lad', saying: 'In the context and the way he was asking it I did [find it offensive] on that occasion.'

Under cross-examination, Mr McGee said he did not plan to benefit financially from the scrap.

He acknowledged that a solicitor initially acting for him advised him to start a civil claim against Gerrard but he dispensed with the lawyer's services.

Mr Kelsey-Fry said: 'On your behalf, did your solicitor speak to Mr Gerrard's, saying that, as far as you were concerned, this had all been a terrible misunderstanding - and you were wondering if there was any way this could be sorted out amicably?'

Mr McGee replied: 'Definitely not, I never said those words.'

The court heard from Mr McGee's partner, Ms Lond, who said she tried to defend her boyfriend and later accompanied him to hospital.

Doran has admitted affray which stemmed from a later incident with Mr McGee in the bar.

Four others have also pleaded guilty to affray and threatening behaviour.

The trial continues.

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i have to say arrogance is defo stevie's problem - always has been but then when you get told all your life how great you are it is only natural that arrogance creeps in

but on the other side the other guy is no saint and was quite clearly aggressive and looking for a fight - not sure if he was looking to earn money selling his story to the papers or just so he could go home and tell everyone how he got the better of gerrard in an argument

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Affray is the least serious public order offence other than "breach of the peace". For that you'd probably get a conditional discharge or a small fine. For affray, I'd expect the penalties to be something like a £250 fine and possibly a short community service order. Though I think you can be jailed for affray, this is most unlikely.

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Stevie was dumb to get involved but tell me this......how could he see who was punching him with his jumper pulled over his head????

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Whatever the outcome of this sordid little incident, cracking start to the season ey....NOT? mad
Gerrard should be out with the rest of the lads in Thailand preparing for a serious title charge, not defending himsilf in court due to a childish 'hanbags at dawn' incident, simply 'cus he can't hold his ale or temper...alledgedly.

What with the seemingly never ending 'Barry' summer style Alonso and Monster fiasco, things are currently looking fairly shitty imo. whistle

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Gotta agree with 'Growler' on this one n what was he doing out on the sauce at 2 or 3am after playing up at Newcastle. Sure, go out n have a drink after the game but you gotta have yer limits as a professional footballer.

Video doesn't give much away to be honest but disappointed by Gerrard's attitude n arrogance.

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gotta agree too - none of this would have happened if he had just walked away like he should have

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I'm with you Growler. I keep waking up in the morning optimistic that something may have happened over night and log on to find.......nothing! It's friggin doing my head in!

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