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Originally Posted By: emperor rafa
ged you just believe in hype..you bought into the whole english media thing about how brilliant fergie was for buying carrick and you think he is a top midfield player when he is a joke. and alves is not even in the best 20 right backs in the world -infact he is not a right back cause he can't defend. he has been found out at barca,lost his brazil place and is in fact crap,did you not see him against chelsea.

gerrrard is a forward now that's were he plays, and he is golden in that position ,he has developed into the best finisher in world football,better even than nando the only player i could imagine starting ahead of him would be kaka but he doesn't have the aggression stevie does. you best eleven would be carrick,alves some other media hyped player other than a liverpool one- probably deco at the start of last season
Please dont be silly saying Carrick is a joke, the man has won 3 league titles and a Champions league in the last 4 seasons and you dont do that if your a joke, he plays central midfield for the best team on the plannet at present, never mind that they got beat by Barca they are still the best team wether we like it or not. Daniel Alvez is a modern day full back in that he attacks better than he can defend so dont give me this rubbish about he cant defend according to your logic Cafu and Roberto Carlos were rubbish as well because they were better going forward than defending as well. I told you before Steven Gerarrd can get away with playing up front most games but he is no forward, if I asked you to name all his strenghths they would all be qualities a midfielder has tackling, passing, driving forward and scoring goals from outside the box, Gerarrd and Torres are fantastic players but both have not achieved enough in the game to warrant the world class tag am afraid.

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Originally Posted By: emperor rafa
so your a man u fan then? they just got their arse handed to them by barca and yet you think they are better than barca-where's your logic.

i never mentioned carlos and cafu mot being able to defend i mentioned alves cause he can't defend and can't really attack either,just seems to fall over and roll around a lot

your not a liverpool fan are you ged?
Listen there are things in life you have to accept wether you like it or not and United are the best team and there's nothing we can do about it. I base that on the english league is superior to the Spanish one and United are comfortably the best team in this country, dont want to take anything away from Barcelona because they thouroughly deserved to beat United on the night but you have to take into consideration the season both clubs had and which team had the more demanding fixtured leading up to that match. I cant stand United but have to hold my hands up and say they came within a whisker of winning every single competition they entered last season World Championship, League Cup, F.A.Cup, Premier league and Champions league just felt the Barcelona match was a bridge to far and they looked jaded. Thats why it makes me laugh when you claim Carrick is not a good player how can you possibly win the trophies he has, play in as many games as he does and be similar to Alonso in that he is United most important player because he makes them tick and not have something about you, do you serious think he could pull the wool over Fergies eyes if he was'nt good enough taking into consideration Fergie has seen off players like Ince, Beckham, Keane, Kanchelskis and Hughes for various reasons so he is a tough man to please.

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Originally Posted By: emperor rafa
your mad utd were out played and looked like little children against barca,who by the way had to actually play a few decent teams to get to the final- where carrick allowed iniesta to stroll past him and set up the first goal. if carrick is so good how come he doesn't get a look in internationally. all i know is when carrick plays against us I know we are going to dominate the midfield area.he is a lightweight-he doesn't come near to alonso in terms of keeping the ball and he has been carried by scholes. now that scholes is coming to an end ,utd will look to him to be the main man-he will fail and probably be sold on next year
Just told you the Barca game was a game to far after the season United had, thats why players you expect more of look jaded that night, yes Carrick was poor on the night but so to was Rooney and Ferdinand who also looked out of sorts so you see he was'nt the only one. If Barca played United 10 times United would win prob 6 of them Barca 3 and 1 would be a draw, the Premier League is now far superior to that of the Spanish league, you only had to see how poor Madrid where when we played them to see just how far the Spanish league has dropped and Madrid are the second best team behind Barca, the english league had three teams in the semi's and guess what they will probably have three again next season. Carrick is a good player and as i said although not as spectacular as Ronaldo or Rooney he is United's most important player and has been one of the main reasons United have won the previous 3 league titles and made United the best team on the plannet at the moment.

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Originally Posted By: emperor rafa
i know what you told me but i don't buy it..utd had plenty of rest before hand and you don't get jaded in a cl final no matter what. so you cant say ur team is better than barca - barca made them look foolish by playing a brand of football utd can't -so if utd can't play that way they are not as good- get it
you are always going to look good against a team that looked on it's last legs, you only had to look at Puyol he's a crab but United made him look like Franco Beresi and Barca never even had a defence out yet United were still to tired to exploit them, Rooney looked like a pub player that night and even Ronaldo looked ordinary, as i say it was one game to many for United and it caught up with them, you cant do what they done all season and not feel the effects.

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I didn´t see that game but all of the united fans i talked to after the game all mentioned that they where just out played
like Fergie said also ... they were just better in all aspects of the game ..

and even if the English league is better than the spanish it doesn´t mean that the spanish champions can´t be better than the english


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