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there's no reason to believe he will leave, not as long as it doesn't come out of his own mouth. it's all press speculation.

it's another thing with masch. he has openly stated more than once that he wants to leave (and i'll be happy to see him go)

has HE actually SAID it though swede. and laso, when was he directly heard saying "i want to leave liverpool". did he himself say it, or was it his agent, or a reported interview. was it before hodgson came? i think a lot of things can change over a summer, and a lot of things have changed. and if masch at one point wanted to leave, its possible that he might change his mind. and thats ok too.

he has said all the stuff about his wife flames, he has said he would love to follow rafa to italy. and then he made a stupid statement in the middle of the world cup saying he's learning to speak italian. what signals does a statement like that send out to all the reds fans? (even if it necessarily doesn't mean he's going to leave i still think it's a stupid thing to say)

a world class hatchet man,not a world class footballer.

My My i can remember when the title world class represented somethin, it was always a level and not a performance and now you see players like Lampard, Torres, Gerrard, Ashley Cole and John Terry's of this world handed it so very easily.

yeah I've always thought that World Class should mean if you had to select a squad of 23 players + 4 to cover for injuries, that would be your list of World Class players. It is a much over used phrase.

Well for me World Class means special and in that I mean nothing else to prove because they have achieved everything, won the major trophies on more than one occasion and the most important thing won them by being special. I look at Players like Dalglish, Souey and Rushie from years ago along with Maradonna, Cryuff, Beckenbaur and modern greats like Zidane, Van Basten, Gullit and Rivaldo, Henri, Ronaldinho, Roy Keane and Giggs and now you have Messi, these have all won the biggest honours and been special doing it. I personaly dont think the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Torres, John Terry and Ashley Cole have achieved enough being special to earn that tag probably the closest we have in this country to being world class is Rooney and he needs to win a few more major trophies and be special doing it, think he's won three leagues and a Champions league.

World class means being in the top group. Work the rest out yourselves.