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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
I see BoJo's long awaited solution to the Irish border problem has gone down like a lead balloon.

Rejected by the Irish Government the SDLP and Sinn Fein.

Customs Posts on both sides of the border. I don't think so.







Why would anyone vote for anything he comes up with? They won’t no matter what he brings in because it’s BoJo. People are more bothered about who he is than what he can bring (not saying his solution is workable but even if it was it’d be voted down).

No condemnation of Labours volatile language I see??

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
In Manchester on the motorway bridge coming in labour have hung effigies of hung Tories and this is not the first time they have done this. The Tory conference is currently in Manchester and this is the welcome they have for the members coming in to Manchester from around the country

And I will rarely agree with shaggy but on this point I do people are going to be killed in this before long. This has to stop Britain voted to leave the EU and it has to be respected

If they go down the road of bercow going to Brussels with a view to eventually making us vote again then I really do fear what will happen in Britain


I thought it was only far right Tory’s that did that kind of stuff?

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
I see BoJo's long awaited solution to the Irish border problem has gone down like a lead balloon.

Rejected by the Irish Government the SDLP and Sinn Fein.

Customs Posts on both sides of the border. I don't think so.







Why would anyone vote for anything he comes up with? They won’t no matter what he brings in because it’s BoJo. People are more bothered about who he is than what he can bring (not saying his solution is workable but even if it was it’d be voted down).

No condemnation of Labours volatile language I see??


Well living in N. Ireland I think this plan is a total non runner. We are already starting to see frequent police checkpoints on the border this last few months.

Moving customs posts 5 miles from the border isn't a solution. That is just moving the border 5 miles further up the road.

I have no problem whatsoever condemning labour's volatile language. These politicians have been elected to lead and using inappropriate language is completely unacceptable. It is going to result in someone getting seriously hurt.

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Fair enough. Doesn’t seem like it solves the border issue to me either. There must be a solution there somewhere though.

I still think that no matter what is brought back it’ll still not be voted for. It’ll be the same too if labour gets in. Anything they bring in will be voted down too. I’m starting to think the public need a vote on the deal but I bet they all couldn’t even decide on a vote to put to us!

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The details of the governments plan for the Irish border have not been announced yet so it's pointless speculating on rumours although that won't stop shaggy

However I bet when it is announced it's trusted trader, self certification and audit type thing. That has been rejected by the EU so something else will need to be added what we will have to see. The government have denied its hard border away from the border albeit there are to be customs checks

I was in a meeting yesterday in Manchester and Arlene foster was one of the speakers a very impressive speaker she was too. It was clear the backstop is a red line and she believes it would breach the Belfast agreement and believes a lot of Remain MP,s are stirring up threat of the troubles for their political aims she named john major and tony Blair and was clearly angry at them. She also said most English politicans had never read the Belfast agreement which is true in my experience.

Shaggy does not speak for Northern Ireland there are plenty over there who are polar opposites to his view

Mrs foster also said there are future issues for the Republic with a European army and tax harmonisation. The army would compromise Ireland's neutrality and prevent them setting low corporation tax which drives their important digital economy

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The details of the governments plan for the Irish border have not been announced yet so it's pointless speculating on rumours although that won't stop shaggy

However I bet when it is announced it's trusted trader, self certification and audit type thing. That has been rejected by the EU so something else will need to be added what we will have to see. The government have denied its hard border away from the border albeit there are to be customs checks

I was in a meeting yesterday in Manchester and Arlene foster was one of the speakers a very impressive speaker she was too. It was clear the backstop is a red line and she believes it would breach the Belfast agreement and believes a lot of Remain MP,s are stirring up threat of the troubles for their political aims she named john major and tony Blair and was clearly angry at them. She also said most English politicans had never read the Belfast agreement which is true in my experience.

Shaggy does not speak for Northern Ireland there are plenty over there who are polar opposites to his view

Mrs foster also said there are future issues for the Republic with a European army and tax harmonisation. The army would compromise Ireland's neutrality and prevent them setting low corporation tax which drives their important digital economy


Bojo has been quick to disown the proposals set out in the leaked documents. This whole Irish border issue isn't as easy to solve as Bojo thought it was going to be. That's what happens when reality meets wishful thinking.

I'm not surprised you were impressed by Arlene Foster.

The leader of the only party in N. Ireland to campaign against the Good Friday Agreement.

The leader of a party that won't consent to an Irish Language Act on the island of Ireland.

The leader of a party that refuses to recognise the rights of gay people to marry each other.

The leader of a party that denies women in N. Ireland the same abortion rights as those on the UK mainland.

The leader of a party that oversaw a cash for ash scheme that will cost the taxpayer at least half a billion pounds.

The leader of a party, campaigning for brexit against the express wishes of the majority of the electorate in N. Ireland.

Arlene is right up your street.

Oh and this may come as a shock to you but the DUP don't like the Republic of Ireland. Though I thought you would have know that given the fact that you were near the border once 20 years ago.

# we aren't racists we are characters.

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Great rant but nothing of substance as always

Whether I like Arlene foster is pretty much irrelevant that fact the majority of people in Northern Ireland do and vote her as leader does

And I agree with wilki the tactic is to claim Britain needs to find a solution then reject anything and everything they suggest. Well time is running out and if a solution is not perfect the terminal rejectors should take the blame


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Great rant but nothing of substance as always

Whether I like Arlene foster is pretty much irrelevant that fact the majority of people in Northern Ireland do and vote her as leader does

And I agree with wilki the tactic is to claim Britain needs to find a solution then reject anything and everything they suggest. Well time is running out and if a solution is not perfect the terminal rejectors should take the blame


As is now standard in your brexit lala land when given a set of facts you simply chose to ignore them or shout conspiracy.

The majority of people in N. Ireland voted to remain. She is pushing for brexit, against the wishes of the electorate here.

Britain created brexit, of course they need to provide a solution. Oh and Boris voted for May's backstop the 3rd time it came before parliament. You couldn't make this stuff up.

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The majority of the people in Northern Ireland presumably voted for the DUP and arlene foster ? Otherwise why would she be leader

The fact the majority in Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU is a fascinating fact but of no relevance as we voted as the United Kingdom


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The majority of the people in Northern Ireland presumably voted for the DUP and arlene foster ? Otherwise why would she be leader

The fact the majority in Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU is a fascinating fact but of no relevance as we voted as the United Kingdom


The First Minister is elected by the Assembly on a joint ticket with the deputy First Minister through a cross-community vote. Why am I surprised that you didn't learn about this on your fact finding mission near the border 20 years ago?

Ah so the will of the people doesn't count in N. Ireland. I notice it doesn't count in Scotland either. And you wonder why you're country is in the state it is in.

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