It's all well and good with hindsight, we got beat by 1 point over the course of a 38 game season, losing "Only" 1 game.
I've stated it previously but if I'm being overly picky then the games that undone us was the games v the eventual Champions Man City. Taking only a point from them was our downfall, whilst we beat every other team at least once over the course of the season, meaning against every other team our accumulations of points against them was greater. Against City in H2H's they beat us 4 v 1 points wise.
If we are to win our 1st ever Premier League Title anytime soon we cannot expect other teams to help us out v Man City. We have to abandon the containment plan that every other team tries to adopt against them and play them like last seasons Champions League games. Klopp dropped a ball at The Etihaad with his tactics this season, I hope he's learned his lesson.
It's all well and good with hindsight, we got beat by 1 point over the course of a 38 game season, losing "Only" 1 game.
I've stated it previously but if I'm being overly picky then the games that undone us was the games v the eventual Champions Man City. Taking only a point from them was our downfall, whilst we beat every other team at least once over the course of the season, meaning against every other team our accumulations of points against them was greater. Against City in H2H's they beat us 4 v 1 points wise.
If we are to win our 1st ever Premier League Title anytime soon we cannot expect other teams to help us out v Man City. We have to abandon the containment plan that every other team tries to adopt against them and play them like last seasons Champions League games. Klopp dropped a ball at The Etihaad with his tactics this season, I hope he's learned his lesson.
I’d agree with that. Everyone points to the draws but just one more point from the City games would’ve done it too.
The best thing that can happen for us between now and the start of next season is for the media to ramp up the allegations v City over FFP and their bending of rules. Every top club has partizan journalists, a smart move by a Liverpool suit would be to encourage those journalists on a crusade to not let this story go away. I'm certain the likes of The FA and Premier League don't want to do anything too severe to City and they are waiting to follow UEFA's lead.
I watched Pep become unhinged by a reporter who dare ask the question after City won The FA Cup about FFP and other allegations they are being investigated for. It's an Achilles Heel we'd be silly not to take advantage of it.
I must admit I thought we threw it away some time ago before the end of the season. I obviously kept my mouth shut as didn't want to sound like a defeatist; I prefer realist hand
Obviously you hope and you try and keep the faith but I just couldn't see City throwing it away whereas I felt we did.
The good thing though is we can now go into next season knowing that we are capable. Old skool KopTalkers will remember that back in the day the discussion on here was always about finishing in the Top 4 and that used to depress me so much.
Ok we've won nothing yet but it's certainly a better feeling having hope than thinking "nope, no chance".
Good times don't you think?
Dunk, the words "threw it away" and "bottling it", should not be used lol. Some fans just don't wanna face facts. We lead with 7 points, going to 10. But we have a better squad now, hopefully this season's experience will propel us on for next season.
Explain these facts to us then please? If you think losing with 97 points is bottling it or throwing it away then fair enough. But you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
Not what he said. Bottling it is to let a 7 pts lead go in half the season (no team has ever done that) or having one shot against United who lost 3 players in the first half. You cannot bottle it over a whole season, ie, 97 pts but you can in a few games or specific moments. Not bottling it for example is City winning 14 times when they needed to and doing everything for it, did you watch their game against United?
It's all well and good with hindsight, we got beat by 1 point over the course of a 38 game season, losing "Only" 1 game.
I've stated it previously but if I'm being overly picky then the games that undone us was the games v the eventual Champions Man City. Taking only a point from them was our downfall, whilst we beat every other team at least once over the course of the season, meaning against every other team our accumulations of points against them was greater. Against City in H2H's they beat us 4 v 1 points wise.
If we are to win our 1st ever Premier League Title anytime soon we cannot expect other teams to help us out v Man City. We have to abandon the containment plan that every other team tries to adopt against them and play them like last seasons Champions League games. Klopp dropped a ball at The Etihaad with his tactics this season, I hope he's learned his lesson.
I’d agree with that. Everyone points to the draws but just one more point from the City games would’ve done it too.
Well, for me beating City away was much more complicated than beating United or Everton, however, beating City would be a huge step forward.
I must admit I thought we threw it away some time ago before the end of the season. I obviously kept my mouth shut as didn't want to sound like a defeatist; I prefer realist hand
Obviously you hope and you try and keep the faith but I just couldn't see City throwing it away whereas I felt we did.
The good thing though is we can now go into next season knowing that we are capable. Old skool KopTalkers will remember that back in the day the discussion on here was always about finishing in the Top 4 and that used to depress me so much.
Ok we've won nothing yet but it's certainly a better feeling having hope than thinking "nope, no chance".
Good times don't you think?
Dunk, the words "threw it away" and "bottling it", should not be used lol. Some fans just don't wanna face facts. We lead with 7 points, going to 10. But we have a better squad now, hopefully this season's experience will propel us on for next season.
Explain these facts to us then please? If you think losing with 97 points is bottling it or throwing it away then fair enough. But you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
Not what he said. Bottling it is to let a 7 pts lead go in half the season (no team has ever done that) or having one shot against United who lost 3 players in the first half. You cannot bottle it over a whole season, ie, 97 pts but you can in a few games or specific moments. Not bottling it for example is City winning 14 times when they needed to and doing everything for it, did you watch their game against United?
So basically any time you don’t play well and draw game you’ve bottled it? Good stuff that. I suppose City bottled it against Palace and Leicester then but no one ever seems to say that as they know it won’t suit their (couldn’t be more wrong) argument that we did.
It’s beyond crazy to even go close to suggesting we bottled anything.
It's all well and good with hindsight, we got beat by 1 point over the course of a 38 game season, losing "Only" 1 game.
I've stated it previously but if I'm being overly picky then the games that undone us was the games v the eventual Champions Man City. Taking only a point from them was our downfall, whilst we beat every other team at least once over the course of the season, meaning against every other team our accumulations of points against them was greater. Against City in H2H's they beat us 4 v 1 points wise.
If we are to win our 1st ever Premier League Title anytime soon we cannot expect other teams to help us out v Man City. We have to abandon the containment plan that every other team tries to adopt against them and play them like last seasons Champions League games. Klopp dropped a ball at The Etihaad with his tactics this season, I hope he's learned his lesson.
I’d agree with that. Everyone points to the draws but just one more point from the City games would’ve done it too.
Well, for me beating City away was much more complicated than beating United or Everton, however, beating City would be a huge step forward.
Not really and was still a game we could’ve won based on City’s recent results and ours st the time. I’m sure City didn’t think beating a Palace at home would be complicated but hey ho.
It's all well and good with hindsight, we got beat by 1 point over the course of a 38 game season, losing "Only" 1 game.
I've stated it previously but if I'm being overly picky then the games that undone us was the games v the eventual Champions Man City. Taking only a point from them was our downfall, whilst we beat every other team at least once over the course of the season, meaning against every other team our accumulations of points against them was greater. Against City in H2H's they beat us 4 v 1 points wise.
If we are to win our 1st ever Premier League Title anytime soon we cannot expect other teams to help us out v Man City. We have to abandon the containment plan that every other team tries to adopt against them and play them like last seasons Champions League games. Klopp dropped a ball at The Etihaad with his tactics this season, I hope he's learned his lesson.
I’d agree with that. Everyone points to the draws but just one more point from the City games would’ve done it too.
Well, for me beating City away was much more complicated than beating United or Everton, however, beating City would be a huge step forward.
Not really and was still a game we could’ve won based on City’s recent results and ours st the time. I’m sure City didn’t think beating a Palace at home would be complicated but hey ho.
Anything can happen in one game, sometimes even in a season like Leicester winning the league, but when talking about what's more likely, I still believe beating City away is much more difficult. Palace won from an incredible and improbable goal, it does happen but once in a blue moon, hey ho
So basically any time you don’t play well and draw game you’ve bottled it? Good stuff that. I suppose City bottled it against Palace and Leicester then but no one ever seems to say that as they know it won’t suit their (couldn’t be more wrong) argument that we did.
It’s beyond crazy to even go close to suggesting we bottled anything.
No not anytime but that specific game, probably the worse I've watched us as far as I can remember. We didn't play and one shot on target from 35 yards proves it. If United had dominated or we were unlucky because of refereeing decisions or hitting the posts or United defending great, I could understand, but we were sort of frozen to death, afraid to lose. Anybody could see that, even Klopp said he didn't understand why players acted like that.
Nothing crazy saying that, it's just about understanding games when you watch. You seem to miss quite a few games, so I can understand.
