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Re: Who’s Bottling It? EnergisedReds #619184 06/03/19 07:20 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 22,394 Northamptonshire wilkij1975 Liverpool Legend
wilkij1975 Liverpool Legend Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 22,394 Northamptonshire	Originally Posted By TiredReds Originally Posted By wilkij1975 I know I’ll get hammered for this but I found it an interesting read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47449256 Fire away! Was it the fans who had only one shot from 35 yards at OT? Is it the fans who missed 2 clear chances against Everton? Is it the fans who have only 3 attackers in the team and our highest scoring midfielder looks lost and being left out of the team all the time? Is it the fans who replaced Mane by Lallana when we needed to score? Is it the fans who need to replace Firmino by Origi which no team would buy for 2 seasons? Is it the fans who are complaining about the wind and making a fool out of themselves? That said, it's probably true that fans want a trophy more than the club. Hip hip hooray.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? wilkij1975 #619185 06/03/19 08:05 AM
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Oli Under 16 Player O Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 458 Iceland	If it´s the fans bottling it then it must have been the fans that brought the team to the summit not the team itself. This is like a student blaming the teacher if he fails but if he gets a good grade it´s all thanks to the student himself.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? wilkij1975 #619186 06/03/19 08:30 AM
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chesterville Under 23 Player C Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,088 Australia	Originally Posted By wilkij1975 Yeah time to let em go for it. Doesn’t matter if we let a few more goals in if we start scoring more. Our defence is the best in the league. Playing stodgy conservative football in the middle third is totally counter-productive, takes the pace out of our attacks, allows the opposition more composure and crowds out our front three. We can play fast, flowing football and win lots of matches. It's not about being reckless, its just the best way we can play and win the league in my opinion. We wont win anything playing "stodge" ball. Klopp has to be braver.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? chesterville #619189 06/03/19 09:25 AM
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EnergisedReds Liverpool Legend Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 22,926	Originally Posted By chesterville Originally Posted By wilkij1975 Yeah time to let em go for it. Doesn’t matter if we let a few more goals in if we start scoring more. Our defence is the best in the league. Playing stodgy conservative football in the middle third is totally counter-productive, takes the pace out of our attacks, allows the opposition more composure and crowds out our front three. We can play fast, flowing football and win lots of matches. It's not about being reckless, its just the best way we can play and win the league in my opinion. We wont win anything playing "stodge" ball. Klopp has to be braver. Well, he didn't take that type of comment very well in the interview, he will be very disappointed if he reads your post, very disappointed. Probably as disappointed as most of us when Mane was replaced by incredible Lallana. Is there anybody who felt we would score when Lallana came on for Mane? I would be very interested to understand the thinking. Last edited by TiredReds; 06/03/19 09:26 AM.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? chesterville #619191 06/03/19 09:32 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 22,394 Northamptonshire wilkij1975 Liverpool Legend
wilkij1975 Liverpool Legend Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 22,394 Northamptonshire	Originally Posted By chesterville Originally Posted By wilkij1975 Yeah time to let em go for it. Doesn’t matter if we let a few more goals in if we start scoring more. Our defence is the best in the league. Playing stodgy conservative football in the middle third is totally counter-productive, takes the pace out of our attacks, allows the opposition more composure and crowds out our front three. We can play fast, flowing football and win lots of matches. It's not about being reckless, its just the best way we can play and win the league in my opinion. We wont win anything playing "stodge" ball. Klopp has to be braver. Completely agree. I think he wanted to make us harder to score against which is only natural as we were leaking goals from all over the place. But it’s gone too far now. I think maybe Keita not being so good or injured has made it a bit worse as he could’ve given us a bit more drive from midfield. I also believe we’ll be freer flowing and attacking once the Ox is back. He might take some time and yes he’s no Messi (so I’ve been told) but he gave us a lot last year.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? wilkij1975 #619192 06/03/19 09:36 AM
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chesterville Under 23 Player C Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,088 Australia	Yea. I generally don't watch Klopp's interviews but I saw this one where he attacked the journalist who suggested our play was conservative. I saw nothing wrong with the questioning. It was not provocative or malicious, but it hit a nerve for some reason and Jurgen really over-reacted.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? Oli #619193 06/03/19 09:38 AM
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EnergisedReds Liverpool Legend Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 22,926	Originally Posted By Oli If it´s the fans bottling it then it must have been the fans that brought the team to the summit not the team itself. This is like a student blaming the teacher if he fails but if he gets a good grade it´s all thanks to the student himself. I wonder if the players could feel the emotions of our travelling fans well enough at Everton which influenced their game.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? wilkij1975 #619196 06/03/19 09:45 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 22,394 Northamptonshire wilkij1975 Liverpool Legend
wilkij1975 Liverpool Legend Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 22,394 Northamptonshire	Well if they’re all sat in the stands being miserable and calling them bottlers then yes they may have felt it.

Re: Who’s Bottling It? wilkij1975 #619197 06/03/19 09:45 AM
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Pickles 1st Team Squad Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 5,936	There's a disconnect now from players to the fans by design. The club can do these promo videos to make them seem normal but the fact is they are prima donnas with huge ego's and wage packets. They can't possibly know what it's like to have been a Liverpool Fan for the past 30 years!

Re: Who’s Bottling It? wilkij1975 #619198 06/03/19 09:56 AM
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EnergisedReds Liverpool Legend Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 22,926	Originally Posted By wilkij1975 Well if they’re all sat in the stands being miserable and calling them bottlers then yes they may have felt it. Did they? Didn't read that anywhere, did you? Last edited by TiredReds; 06/03/19 09:56 AM.

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