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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
Shaggydog #617521 02/02/19 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
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Whenever you ask shaggy what he would do all you get back is a list of gripes. He is incapable of forming an opinion even a poor opinion would be welcome to no opinion whatsoever. Go on shaggy give it a go. You are Theresa May given parliment (an unholy mix of factions who agree on nothing) you have your deal how do you get it through parliment ? Specfically I am asking what your next steps would be? If what I am asking is unclear or confusing you please let me know and I will try to explain another way


You were told last week that 900 jobs had already been lost as a direct result of Brexit and you demanded evidence. When you were given evidence you went strangely quiet.

You have been called out several,times about your racist remarks about Irish people, (stupid, retarded hedgehogs, 1 British live worth 50 Irish lives) and again you went strangely quiet.

In my opinion you are an anti Irish racist and like most racists when confronted you aren't even man enough to apologise.

By all means keep insulting me, it doesn't bother me in the least as it only highlights your ignorance, racism and reinforces why you really voted leave.

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Funny that you did too when I mentioned Tesco cutting 9000 jobs NOT as a result of Brexit.


I never claimed the 9000 jobs lost in Tesco where as a result of Brexit.

I'm afraid that distinction seems to be lost on you.


No. But in our conversation last week, I pointed out that job losses happen regardless of Brexit as is happening at Tesco. You chose to ignore that point while continually posting about the Brexit job losses as if it's the only thing that causes them.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
wilkij1975 #617522 02/02/19 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
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[quote=Shaggydog]

You are continually ignoring the fact that May only has to get her own MP's and the DUP to agree to her deal and the opposition are powerless.

I'm not quite sure why you have decided that May's Brexit plan is mine all of a sudden? She hasn't managed to create an acceptable Brexit Plan A so there is very little chance of her coming up with a Brexit Plan B.


I'm not ignoring it. I'm just pointing out that to get them all to agree when they all have different opinions on it is very hard. It'd be hard for any party but more so with the nob head Tory euro skeptics who seem to want to just crash out.

May's deal isn't your's but you're the one doing the most moaning about it. If you don't like what she's doing, surely you must have an opinion of what you'd like her to do but you never express it. Just moan after moan after moan with a few ant-Brexit links thrown in. Seems par for the course for all you that are against Brexit and the deal. [/quote

Tell me wilki what is your solution, apart from going all happy clappy and hoping for the best.

It is entirely irrelevant if I like it or not. The fact that it resulted in the biggest ever defeat for a government in history would tell you that more people than me are unhappy with it.

It would have been nice if your PM had not reneged on her deal in relation to the backstop. But unfortunately we now know that May is not to be trusted. That's makes negotiations very tricky.



I have no idea what I want as I voted remain. But I'm not the one moaning about every small detail. If I were to moan about something, I'd at least try and suggest what I would want though.

And how could May not change the backstop and get her party on side? You say she needs to do that yet moan about her having to do it to do what you say she needs to?? I'm not sure how that works?


May has tried to run the clock down and wasted 2 years on a Withdrawal Agreement that was blown out of the water in parliament.

What she has attempted to replace the backstop with (the backstop she negotiated) is an alternative arrangement. Absolutely no one knows what that alternative looks like.

At what point is she held accountable for her part in this fiasco?

She is meant to be the leader of your country. If you are happy with her performance then you are very easily pleased. But each to their own.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
Stanley Park #617523 02/02/19 06:57 PM
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Show me where I posted that all job losses in the U.K. are happening as a result of Brexit.


I doubt the 9000 people losing their jobs at Tesco will feel better knowing it wasn't because of Brexit.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
Shaggydog #617527 02/02/19 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Show me where I posted that all job losses in the U.K. are happening as a result of Brexit.


I doubt the 9000 people losing their jobs at Tesco will feel better knowing it wasn't because of Brexit.


I never said you did say that. I said that you kept posting about the 900 jobs going AS IF only Brexit is responsible. You’re getting mighty choosy with your quoting people lately.

And I’m sure they won’t. It’s never nice losing your job for any reason. But it happens for many, many different reasons which you seemed unable to grasp last week.

But maybe Brexit could help Tesco? Maybe the likes of Lidl and Aldi that are beating them up with low prices will have to increase them being mainly European stuff?
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
wilkij1975 #617528 02/02/19 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Show me where I posted that all job losses in the U.K. are happening as a result of Brexit.


I doubt the 9000 people losing their jobs at Tesco will feel better knowing it wasn't because of Brexit.


I never said you did say that. I said that you kept posting about the 900 jobs going AS IF only Brexit is responsible. You’re getting mighty choosy with your quoting people lately.

And I’m sure they won’t. It’s never nice losing your job for any reason. But it happens for many, many different reasons which you seemed unable to grasp last week.

But maybe Brexit could help Tesco? Maybe the likes of Lidl and Aldi that are beating them up with low prices will have to increase them being mainly European stuff?


Wilki it's Saturday night and me and you are arguing about something we have no control over.

Let's draw a line under it and hope whatever happens that it all works out.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
wilkij1975 #617531 03/02/19 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Show me where I posted that all job losses in the U.K. are happening as a result of Brexit.


I doubt the 9000 people losing their jobs at Tesco will feel better knowing it wasn't because of Brexit.


I never said you did say that. I said that you kept posting about the 900 jobs going AS IF only Brexit is responsible. You’re getting mighty choosy with your quoting people lately.

And I’m sure they won’t. It’s never nice losing your job for any reason. But it happens for many, many different reasons which you seemed unable to grasp last week.

But maybe Brexit could help Tesco? Maybe the likes of Lidl and Aldi that are beating them up with low prices will have to increase them being mainly European stuff?


The 900 job losses was specifically because of Brexit. Regarding Tesco, it's not directly because of Brexit for sure, but an increase of procurement prices because of the depreciated GBP is hitting retailers big time, forcing them to reduce their costs. I would really be interested to see how a no deal pans out when I listen to the ERG guys and a lot of leavers in the public. They might be right, who knows.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
wilkij1975 #617537 03/02/19 01:45 PM
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Shaggy sorry you provided no evidence whatsoever about your 900 jobs. I accept it's in the press but that does not mean it's true. I asked you to give a breakdown and you couldn't or rather never attempted. The other BS story doing the rounds is about Nissan and x thousand jobs lost. There will be no jobs lost just not created because they are shelving plans to build a new plant making diesel cars. This is being blamed on brexit but it's acutally to do with the market this would still be happening where we in the EU. I asked what you would do in Theresa Mays shoes you called me a racist and of course gave no answer. Can I ask don't you feel embarrassed about all this did you not have further education ? You can't even express a basic judgemental opinion.

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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
Stanley Park #617538 03/02/19 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy sorry you provided no evidence whatsoever about your 900 jobs. I accept it's in the press but that does not mean it's true. I asked you to give a breakdown and you couldn't or rather never attempted. The other BS story doing the rounds is about Nissan and x thousand jobs lost. There will be no jobs lost just not created because they are shelving plans to build a new plant making diesel cars. This is being blamed on brexit but it's acutally to do with the market this would still be happening where we in the EU. I asked what you would do in Theresa Mays shoes you called me a racist and of course gave no answer. Can I ask don't you feel embarrassed about all this did you not have further education ? You can't even express a basic judgemental opinion.


Not sure what proof you are looking the Shaggy, the jobs lost is due to the closing of the medicines agency to relocate in an EU country. Are you saying it's a lie? What's your point?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...900-jobs-brexit
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
EnergisedReds #617557 03/02/19 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Show me where I posted that all job losses in the U.K. are happening as a result of Brexit.


I doubt the 9000 people losing their jobs at Tesco will feel better knowing it wasn't because of Brexit.


I never said you did say that. I said that you kept posting about the 900 jobs going AS IF only Brexit is responsible. You’re getting mighty choosy with your quoting people lately.

And I’m sure they won’t. It’s never nice losing your job for any reason. But it happens for many, many different reasons which you seemed unable to grasp last week.

But maybe Brexit could help Tesco? Maybe the likes of Lidl and Aldi that are beating them up with low prices will have to increase them being mainly European stuff?


The 900 job losses was specifically because of Brexit. Regarding Tesco, it's not directly because of Brexit for sure, but an increase of procurement prices because of the depreciated GBP is hitting retailers big time, forcing them to reduce their costs. I would really be interested to see how a no deal pans out when I listen to the ERG guys and a lot of leavers in the public. They might be right, who knows.


Tesco are and the rest are getting beaten up on price by the likes of Aldi and Lidl. That’s why they’re having to drop prices and lose jobs because of it. Some costs will have increased but not to a level that they have to lose 9000 jobs. I’m sure project cancel brexit could spinnit that way though.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreement ?
wilkij1975 #617561 03/02/19 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Show me where I posted that all job losses in the U.K. are happening as a result of Brexit.


I doubt the 9000 people losing their jobs at Tesco will feel better knowing it wasn't because of Brexit.


I never said you did say that. I said that you kept posting about the 900 jobs going AS IF only Brexit is responsible. You’re getting mighty choosy with your quoting people lately.

And I’m sure they won’t. It’s never nice losing your job for any reason. But it happens for many, many different reasons which you seemed unable to grasp last week.

But maybe Brexit could help Tesco? Maybe the likes of Lidl and Aldi that are beating them up with low prices will have to increase them being mainly European stuff?


The 900 job losses was specifically because of Brexit. Regarding Tesco, it's not directly because of Brexit for sure, but an increase of procurement prices because of the depreciated GBP is hitting retailers big time, forcing them to reduce their costs. I would really be interested to see how a no deal pans out when I listen to the ERG guys and a lot of leavers in the public. They might be right, who knows.


Tesco are and the rest are getting beaten up on price by the likes of Aldi and Lidl. That’s why they’re having to drop prices and lose jobs because of it. Some costs will have increased but not to a level that they have to lose 9000 jobs. I’m sure project cancel brexit could spinnit that way though.


Well, Nissan CEO explained to their employees in a letter that the Brexit uncertainty is one of the reasons they are not going to produce the Xtrail in Sunderland. But he is probably spinning it as well.
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