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I'm not saying I think we are brilliant at set pieces. And I don't say we can't improve more. But we have actually improved much since last year, and we are currently the second best team at it.

Have a look at this:

1 Tottenham 10
2 Liverpool 9
3 Brighton 8
4 Manchester United 7
5 Burnley 7
6 Arsenal 6
7 Bournemouth 6
8 Huddersfield 6
9 Manchester City 5
10 Chelsea 5
11 Everton 5
12 Cardiff 5
13 Watford 4
14 West Ham 3
15 Wolverhampton Wanderers 3
16 Newcastle United 3
17 Southampton 3
18 Leicester 2
19 Crystal Palace 2
20 Fulham 1

Source: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/To...eague-2018-2019

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By TiredReds
We would win the league. I think we had 11 corners on Saturday and if we could take a few chances, we would win with less effort. It's true that we don't have a lot of tall players, especially forwards, but that's one of the main areas where improvement will make a huge difference. I also thought VVD would score more from corners.


If we score four from open play why does it matter that we don’t score from a corner?


Because we can win by putting less effort. Our first goal was from an offside position and that made our task easier as they had to attack. Also, I am not talking of this game only, we usually get a lot of corners.


Doesn’t matter how the goals come as long as they come. I’m also not sure how getting and scoring from a corner is less work? You have to work to get the corner in the first place don’t you?

Yes it would’ve nice and is an area where we could improve. But as Herc said earlier, there ain’t that many goals from corners anymore. Defenders are much better at them now so is much harder to score than they were.

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Defenders are good at man marking stationery figures, there is no choreography to our corner kicks. Our players jostle on the same spot with opposing defenders, normally around pen spot, corner kick is taken and if it makes it past the first man on the post, Goalkeeper gets it or defender clears it.

Would it not be worth throwing the odd curve ball in there?
Take for instance England in last World Cup when the players lined up one behind the other causing confusion for rival defenders and Goalkeeper, when kick is taken players separate in different directions with one or two concentrating on the incoming ball, whilst the rival defenders are wandering where everybody else is going. OR maybe the likes of VVD, Matip, Fabinho etc... preferably our taller players making a run from outside the area to a spot prearranged in the area with the corner taker to where he'll flight the ball to. It's not exactly rocket science but something different none the less.

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As I said: We're almost top of the league in that department.

Room for improvement though? Yes.

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Originally Posted By van Gogh
I'm not saying I think we are brilliant at set pieces. And I don't say we can't improve more. But we have actually improved much since last year, and we are currently the second best team at it.

Have a look at this:

1 Tottenham 10
2 Liverpool 9
3 Brighton 8
4 Manchester United 7
5 Burnley 7
6 Arsenal 6
7 Bournemouth 6
8 Huddersfield 6
9 Manchester City 5
10 Chelsea 5
11 Everton 5
12 Cardiff 5
13 Watford 4
14 West Ham 3
15 Wolverhampton Wanderers 3
16 Newcastle United 3
17 Southampton 3
18 Leicester 2
19 Crystal Palace 2
20 Fulham 1

Source: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/To...eague-2018-2019


You beat me to it. Great post.

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Originally Posted By van Gogh
I'm not saying I think we are brilliant at set pieces. And I don't say we can't improve more. But we have actually improved much since last year, and we are currently the second best team at it.

Have a look at this:

1 Tottenham 10
2 Liverpool 9
3 Brighton 8
4 Manchester United 7
5 Burnley 7
6 Arsenal 6
7 Bournemouth 6
8 Huddersfield 6
9 Manchester City 5
10 Chelsea 5
11 Everton 5
12 Cardiff 5
13 Watford 4
14 West Ham 3
15 Wolverhampton Wanderers 3
16 Newcastle United 3
17 Southampton 3
18 Leicester 2
19 Crystal Palace 2
20 Fulham 1

Source: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/To...eague-2018-2019


This is from set pieces, not only corners and the right statistics is the percentage of goals we score from corners won, which is quite low as shown in another post.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By TiredReds
We would win the league. I think we had 11 corners on Saturday and if we could take a few chances, we would win with less effort. It's true that we don't have a lot of tall players, especially forwards, but that's one of the main areas where improvement will make a huge difference. I also thought VVD would score more from corners.


If we score four from open play why does it matter that we don’t score from a corner?


Because we can win by putting less effort. Our first goal was from an offside position and that made our task easier as they had to attack. Also, I am not talking of this game only, we usually get a lot of corners.


Doesn’t matter how the goals come as long as they come. I’m also not sure how getting and scoring from a corner is less work? You have to work to get the corner in the first place don’t you?

Yes it would’ve nice and is an area where we could improve. But as Herc said earlier, there ain’t that many goals from corners anymore. Defenders are much better at them now so is much harder to score than they were.


That's the point, we are already working hard to get the corners but not scoring enough from them, then we have to work even harder to score in addition. I am not saying we have to get less corners but rather take advantage of corners we win.

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We are working no harder to get corners and then not score from them than we would if we scored from them. I’m not sure how we can be?

Perhaps we need Achterberg to have a crack at coaching us for corners? grin

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
We are working no harder to get corners and then not score from them than we would if we scored from them. I’m not sure how we can be?

Perhaps we need Achterberg to have a crack at coaching us for corners? grin


We do press less and reduce intensity after we score, and the bus parking of the opponents reduces as well.

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