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I have told you my plan many times before but I will do again but remember I am not running the country. I think we should be out the single market customs union and ECJ. We should though have close trade ties with the EU preferably with no tariffs but if not so be it. The nothern Ireland border can be solved by trusted supplier, self assessment and spot audits very much as now and what the eventual solution will be when they stop squabbling. However what I think is irrelevant I am a mere voter not the government. What would your solution be ?


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I have told you my plan many times before but I will do again but remember I am not running the country. I think we should be out the single market customs union and ECJ. We should though have close trade ties with the EU preferably with no tariffs but if not so be it. The nothern Ireland border can be solved by trusted supplier, self assessment and spot audits very much as now and what the eventual solution will be when they stop squabbling. However what I think is irrelevant I am a mere voter not the government. What would your solution be ?


Keep your promise on the border backstop and whatever your government wants to do after that is up to them.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I have told you my plan many times before but I will do again but remember I am not running the country. I think we should be out the single market customs union and ECJ. We should though have close trade ties with the EU preferably with no tariffs but if not so be it. The nothern Ireland border can be solved by trusted supplier, self assessment and spot audits very much as now and what the eventual solution will be when they stop squabbling. However what I think is irrelevant I am a mere voter not the government. What would your solution be ?


Keep your promise on the border backstop and whatever your government wants to do after that is up to them.



My reading is they have agreed to agree a mechanism that Britain could invoke to get out of the UK wide customs union once a more permanent solution could be found. I am guessing here but that could be something the EU has accepted and that might be the big announcement rumoured for tomorrow.


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I have told you my plan many times before but I will do again but remember I am not running the country. I think we should be out the single market customs union and ECJ. We should though have close trade ties with the EU preferably with no tariffs but if not so be it. The nothern Ireland border can be solved by trusted supplier, self assessment and spot audits very much as now and what the eventual solution will be when they stop squabbling. However what I think is irrelevant I am a mere voter not the government. What would your solution be ?


Keep your promise on the border backstop and whatever your government wants to do after that is up to them.



My reading is they have agreed to agree a mechanism that Britain could invoke to get out of the UK wide customs union once a more permanent solution could be found. I am guessing here but that could be something the EU has accepted and that might be the big announcement rumoured for tomorrow.


There is not a chance that Britain will be allowed to unilaterally invoke any get out mechanism in relation to the backstop. So it will be some kind of fudge.

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That I agree is a concern the EU have all the cards and are trying to retain control of Britain post brexit. This could have been avoided if British politicians had worked for Britain instead of party interests but I know I am expecting too much there. We need to see the actual deal rather than guessing given this time tommorow we might know


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
That I agree is a concern the EU have all the cards and are trying to retain control of Britain post brexit. This could have been avoided if British politicians had worked for Britain instead of party interests but I know I am expecting too much there. We need to see the actual deal rather than guessing given this time tommorow we might know


The whole thing is going to be a fudge. The big question is will she get it past parliament

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
That I agree is a concern the EU have all the cards and are trying to retain control of Britain post brexit. This could have been avoided if British politicians had worked for Britain instead of party interests but I know I am expecting too much there. We need to see the actual deal rather than guessing given this time tommorow we might know


The whole thing is going to be a fudge. The big question is will she get it past parliament


It was never going to be anything else but a fudge the EU is almost impossible to negotiate with as the Irish found out with the Lisbon treaty. I agree parliment is the issue I was never in doubt a deal would be done. However how many in parliment at the end of the day are going to vote for no deal ? I can't see it but I might be wrong nothing would surprise me with them


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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That I agree is a concern the EU have all the cards and are trying to retain control of Britain post brexit. This could have been avoided if British politicians had worked for Britain instead of party interests but I know I am expecting too much there. We need to see the actual deal rather than guessing given this time tommorow we might know


The whole thing is going to be a fudge. The big question is will she get it past parliament


It was never going to be anything else but a fudge the EU is almost impossible to negotiate with as the Irish found out with the Lisbon treaty. I agree parliment is the issue I was never in doubt a deal would be done. However how many in parliment at the end of the day are going to vote for no deal ? I can't see it but I might be wrong nothing would surprise me with them


The UK Government, even at this late stage still don't know what they want. Pretty impossible to negotiate under those circumstances.

Brexit in Name Only will be dressed up as a great deal for the UK

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You obviously don't remember the Lancaster house speech or have never heard of it. That was the governments position how long ago was that 18 months ago ? Some of it is still intact but events have moved on and in my opinion not for the better. I blame British politicians who have not worked together for the benefit of the nation. To be fair to May she had a difficult task particularly given she did not have a majority. Hopefully we are coming to the end game now whatever the deal is or is not


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
You obviously don't remember the Lancaster house speech or have never heard of it. That was the governments position how long ago was that 18 months ago ? Some of it is still intact but events have moved on and in my opinion not for the better. I blame British politicians who have not worked together for the benefit of the nation. To be fair to May she had a difficult task particularly given she did not have a majority. Hopefully we are coming to the end game now whatever the deal is or is not


You obviously still believe in Santa if you think you were going to get everything May demanded in her Lancaster House speech. The fact that you acknowledge that "some of it is still intact" merely confirms that it was nothing more than bluster to satisfy Tory hardline brexiteers.

I blame Tory politicians and primarily David Cameron. This vote wasn't called for the good of the nation. It was called to shut up once and for all the Tory eurosceptics and to stop the rise of UKIP. The tories created this mess.

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