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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
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And as far as trade tariffs go all the EU and UK need to do is not impose them between Northern Ireland and the republic the trade is microscopic anyway. Problem solved


Jaysus I was wondering where you were going with this one.

Quick get your plan off to the British and EU Negotiators and they will have an agreement by lunchtime. How did they not see this ages ago.


I am pretty sure they see it now it's not my suggestion the British suggested it 12 months ago the EU rejected it I never understood why and still don't. At the time I asked for your view that was my mistake as I now know you are incapable of anything more complex than slogans you have probably picked up in the daily mirror. My guess is the British proposal will be accepted but after the EU has adjusted it so they can claim it's their idea as well and when the EU has used it to screw the maximum out of Britain for that's all the Irish border is a lever for the EU and they are exploiting the politically sensitive aspect for their own ends


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
And as far as trade tariffs go all the EU and UK need to do is not impose them between Northern Ireland and the republic the trade is microscopic anyway. Problem solved


Jaysus I was wondering where you were going with this one.

Quick get your plan off to the British and EU Negotiators and they will have an agreement by lunchtime. How did they not see this ages ago.


I am pretty sure they see it now it's not my suggestion the British suggested it 12 months ago the EU rejected it I never understood why and still don't. At the time I asked for your view that was my mistake as I now know you are incapable of anything more complex than slogans you have probably picked up in the daily mirror. My guess is the British proposal will be accepted but after the EU has adjusted it so they can claim it's their idea as well and when the EU has used it to screw the maximum out of Britain for that's all the Irish border is a lever for the EU and they are exploiting the politically sensitive aspect for their own ends


So you are suggesting an idea that has already been rejected by the EU and putting it forward as the solution to the border issue. Do you see a potential problem?

The solution is quite simple. Britain agreed to an Irish backstop. All they have to do is fulfill their obligations then there won't be a border issue.

Good luck selling that to the DUP and JRM &Co.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
And as far as trade tariffs go all the EU and UK need to do is not impose them between Northern Ireland and the republic the trade is microscopic anyway. Problem solved


And how would you deal with let's say Chinese goods which will have different tariffs in UK and EU?

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
And as far as trade tariffs go all the EU and UK need to do is not impose them between Northern Ireland and the republic the trade is microscopic anyway. Problem solved


And how would you deal with let's say Chinese goods which will have different tariffs in UK and EU?


I dont know. I might know if I was running the negotiations. However it does not seem impossible to solve although I think plenty of remainers are clinging to the hope the irish border cant be solved with 95% of the deal complete TM says 95% the EU 90% but sounds like we are getting there. What an earth are you and the remoaners (not remainers) going to do if they solve the border issue? Which I am absolutely certain they will. And Shaggy please try please ! yes the EU has rejected the proposal but what happens is both sides will amend and ajust and repackage give it a new name (say the facilitation option) and bingo a deal is done. Thats the way these complex political disputes work both sides have to be seen to win. And Vish not sure any chinese goods go to Ireland not sure they have the ports in Ulster maybe dublin does but almost all chinese goods come in via the deep water ports on the english south coast and brought to ireland via lorry or train so the customs can be handled by software and bar code in those ports

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Considering the country will be poorer off post brexit,who really wins Stan?


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
And as far as trade tariffs go all the EU and UK need to do is not impose them between Northern Ireland and the republic the trade is microscopic anyway. Problem solved


And how would you deal with let's say Chinese goods which will have different tariffs in UK and EU?


I dont know. I might know if I was running the negotiations. However it does not seem impossible to solve although I think plenty of remainers are clinging to the hope the irish border cant be solved with 95% of the deal complete TM says 95% the EU 90% but sounds like we are getting there. What an earth are you and the remoaners (not remainers) going to do if they solve the border issue? Which I am absolutely certain they will. And Shaggy please try please ! yes the EU has rejected the proposal but what happens is both sides will amend and ajust and repackage give it a new name (say the facilitation option) and bingo a deal is done. Thats the way these complex political disputes work both sides have to be seen to win. And Vish not sure any chinese goods go to Ireland not sure they have the ports in Ulster maybe dublin does but almost all chinese goods come in via the deep water ports on the english south coast and brought to ireland via lorry or train so the customs can be handled by software and bar code in those ports


So, according to what you wrote, a container with Chinese goods will dock in UK and will be transported to Ireland by road, but then who collects the duty and where? Let's say as you say, barcodes and software solve this, then how do you distinguish a product in a container which is consigned to ROI and the same product in a container consigned to NI? You can't as it will be the same product, however, the duties will be different as trade deals will be negotiated separately. Still with me? As the duties would be different so would the landed costs, right? Let's say duties in UK, the new tax haven, are lower than in ROI, then if there is no border, those goods from UK will be smuggled to ROI to be sold there, or anywhere else in EU. Do you get it now? To solve this, you need to remain in the customs union as I said before and which Labour is saying now.

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From a quick Google Dublin is not a deep water freight port so I assume all Far East goods destined for Ireland (north and south) come via the big English south coast ports like Felixstowe and potentially Liverpool too given its new deep water status capable of taking the Panamax boats. So a none issue unless I am missing something ?


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Vish I think your example part NI container part Republic is a bit far fetched I can't see that being a major event almost all goods to Northern Ireland come via mainland Britain. There may be part containers but it's very small beer and in any case the split container can be bar coded and allocated via software just as if it was a full container we are in 2018. Also not every container is checked they are sample checked and remember Northern Ireland is a small rural economy as is the republic we are not talking say Britain vs Germany then I could see your point


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish I think your example part NI container part Republic is a bit far fetched I can't see that being a major event almost all goods to Northern Ireland come via mainland Britain. There may be part containers but it's very small beer and in any case the split container can be bar coded and allocated via software just as if it was a full container we are in 2018. Also not every container is checked they are sample checked and remember Northern Ireland is a small rural economy as is the republic we are not talking say Britain vs Germany then I could see your point


The Republic is a small rural economy.

That would be the same Republic with the fastest growing economy in Europe. An economy driven primarily by the activities of multi national companies who operate there.

Will you ever stop making things up just to suit your argument. It is embarrassing

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He's worse than comical Ali.


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