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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
You keep saying "oh dear" that's your safety prop that you are enable to express an opinion of your own. I agree with some brexiteers about the chequers agreement as I have said many times I don't like it myself. I actually think chequers might be rejected by parliament. However in my opinion (it is possible shaggy to have opinions of your own without copying what famous people think) chequers given the politics in Britain is probably the best option. It is quite possible for the country to be doing well with lousy politics shaggy politicians don't drive the country they don't invest or create industries. What you really need to do is get off these forums and do some educating yourself go to the library take time out to do some reading. It will be to your benefit you clearly are passionate but Unfortunetly can't articulate your own opinions. I have lost count of the links and person x or y said this or that. Think for yourself


Stan make your mind up. You wanted a no deal brexit and now you want Brexit in Name only.

Reading the Daily Express every day is not educating yourself that is brain washing yourself.

Instead of calling me names why don't you try and explain how your vision of brexit in name only is best for the country and Farage, Johnson and Davis are all wrong.

The fact that Britain is experiencing poor economic growth and sterling has been severely weakened seems to be lost on you. Add to that failed austerity, zero hour contracts an NHS in crisis, poor wages, a government involved in an open civil war and I cannot see how you can come to the conclusion that things have never been better in your lifetime.

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Shaggy the reason we are experiencing austerity is due to the high deficit browns labour government left us that was six years before the brexit vote just another example of your lack of education. My view on brexit which you don't seem to grasp is that I don't agree with chequers but given the politics it's probably the most pragmatic solution. The important thing is we get out. The alternative to chequers is no deal which again I can live with. Time is running out fast and so on balance chequers is probably the least worst path. That's my opinion I HAVE AN OPINION not boris johnsons or other politicians MINE and the day I am too stupid to work an opinion out for myself is the time to pack in.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy the reason we are experiencing austerity is due to the high deficit browns labour government left us that was six years before the brexit vote just another example of your lack of education. My view on brexit which you don't seem to grasp is that I don't agree with chequers but given the politics it's probably the most pragmatic solution. The important thing is we get out. The alternative to chequers is no deal which again I can live with. Time is running out fast and so on balance chequers is probably the least worst path. That's my opinion I HAVE AN OPINION not boris johnsons or other politicians MINE and the day I am too stupid to work an opinion out for myself is the time to pack in.


You do realise that the Tories have borrowed more than labour when in government.

We also all know how well austerity has worked. Britains national debt has increased by over £500 billion since Osborne took office in 2010. Another of those pesky facts making an absolute nonsense of your argument.

As for your opinion on brexit it is not an opinion it is a series's of opinions depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Any brexit will do and you prove that.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy the reason we are experiencing austerity is due to the high deficit browns labour government left us that was six years before the brexit vote just another example of your lack of education. My view on brexit which you don't seem to grasp is that I don't agree with chequers but given the politics it's probably the most pragmatic solution. The important thing is we get out. The alternative to chequers is no deal which again I can live with. Time is running out fast and so on balance chequers is probably the least worst path. That's my opinion I HAVE AN OPINION not boris johnsons or other politicians MINE and the day I am too stupid to work an opinion out for myself is the time to pack in.


You do realise that the Tories have borrowed more than labour when in government.

We also all know how well austerity has worked. Britains national debt has increased by over £500 billion since Osborne took office in 2010. Another of those pesky facts making an absolute nonsense of your argument.

As for your opinion on brexit it is not an opinion it is a series's of opinions depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Any brexit will do and you prove that.


Of course the Tories have borrowed more they inherited a deficit put 10 years borrowing 150 billion a year to keep afloat you will soon increase borrowing. Deficit is not the same as borrowing again your lack of education is clear. The deficit is like your wages vs your outgoings your borrowing is your overdraft. As for opinions on brexit there are plenty unless you are waiting for the day everyone in the UK has excatly the same thought in which case you will be waiting a long time. I have an opinion it's mine and mine alone and I worked it out myself I may be wrong but unlike some I can at least form an opinion

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Shaggy the reason we are experiencing austerity is due to the high deficit browns labour government left us that was six years before the brexit vote just another example of your lack of education. My view on brexit which you don't seem to grasp is that I don't agree with chequers but given the politics it's probably the most pragmatic solution. The important thing is we get out. The alternative to chequers is no deal which again I can live with. Time is running out fast and so on balance chequers is probably the least worst path. That's my opinion I HAVE AN OPINION not boris johnsons or other politicians MINE and the day I am too stupid to work an opinion out for myself is the time to pack in.


You do realise that the Tories have borrowed more than labour when in government.

We also all know how well austerity has worked. Britains national debt has increased by over £500 billion since Osborne took office in 2010. Another of those pesky facts making an absolute nonsense of your argument.

As for your opinion on brexit it is not an opinion it is a series's of opinions depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Any brexit will do and you prove that.


Of course the Tories have borrowed more they inherited a deficit put 10 years borrowing 150 billion a year to keep afloat you will soon increase borrowing. Deficit is not the same as borrowing again your lack of education is clear. The deficit is like your wages vs your outgoings your borrowing is your overdraft. As for opinions on brexit there are plenty unless you are waiting for the day everyone in the UK has excatly the same thought in which case you will be waiting a long time. I have an opinion it's mine and mine alone and I worked it out myself I may be wrong but unlike some I can at least form an opinion


"Of course the tories have borrowed more". You should have stopped there.

As for your opinion. I can confirm that it is wrong. Sorry I can conform that they are wrong.
Brexit in Name only today: No deal brexit tomorrow.

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Shaggy you say my opinion is wrong ok

Tell me what is the right opinion ?


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy you say my opinion is wrong ok

Tell me what is the right opinion ?


Stan that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

I am entitled to mine also and in my opinion your opinion is wrong.

You have moved completely on brexit and how anyone can believe that chequers and a no deal brexit are both acceptable is beyond me. The two couldn't be further from each other. One is damage limitation, the other is total chaos.
I could understand support for one of them, but claiming that either is acceptable
is beyond me.

No one knows exactly what brexit means. As we have seen during the negotiations it is extremely difficult to argue your cause when you don't actually know what your cause is.

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But what is your opinion ?


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
But what is your opinion ?


That brexit is as painless as possible for ordinary people. The people were sold a lie but brexit will go ahead, however little of what was promised will be delivered.

The idea of a no deal brexit is insanity.

We both know Stan that ordinary people will gain nothing from whatever brexit is agreed.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
But what is your opinion ?


That brexit is as painless as possible for ordinary people. The people were sold a lie but brexit will go ahead, however little of what was promised will be delivered.

The idea of a no deal brexit is insanity.

We both know Stan that ordinary people will gain nothing from whatever brexit is agreed.



Well firstly you don't know what I do or don't know or think you have enough trouble with your own mind never mind taking over someone else's. Above is not an answer it's just a generalised complaint about about brexit and the government. I am not happy with aspects of the Brexit negotiations and chequers is certainly not my favoured option however I have expressed a way forward probably about fifty times now. What shaggy would be your way forward ? Cancel brexit? Go with chequers ? Blow up the houses of parliment ? What ? We can all moan and whine go on for once in your life express a coherent suggestion ?

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