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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The wording was not PC no but that was quite deliberate Boris is in the news and many agree with him even sky news which is very left wing had a poll saying being critical of burkas is not racist probably not the result Sky wanted but there we are. As for brexit as always it's right over your head. Many are dissatisfied with Mays soft brexit Boris is probably planning for this to get agreement with the EU and then many feeling May has sold out. Boris is right in line to fix it then. What you forget is this is politics it's a game and a dirty game as well. I would not like to do it I do know a couple of MP,s their ratings and positioning is all they think about and it's perception that matters. Boris will calculate he might upset a few but the majority will be silently agreeing


Jaysus even for a brexiteer that is a fantastical tale. Boris is going to fix Brexit. Behave yourself.

Boris looks out for Boris and once he realised Brexit was a busted flush he abandoned ship.

He has been ordered to apologise by his own PM. At a time when labour our being held to account over alleged anti-semitism, Boris has diverted attention to the tories islamaphobia. As usual it's always about Boris.

It is no coincidence that this occurs after meetings with the racist Bannon.



Boris never wanted Brexit. He was singing the praises of the EU only the year before the vote so what changed?

He saw his chance to take over after the referendum was announced. He knew tht whatever happened Cameron was doomed. Win the vote and the Euro skeptics would have been up in arms. If he lost then Boris was waiting to take over once Cameron couldn't deliver Brexit (just like he is now) but Cameron shat all over that plan by quitting.

As for being leader? I don't think the majority of Torries are stupid enough to back him. He'd never win a general election as he's just about the most unlikable politician there is.If he is Torrie leader then they have just handed the keys of No. 10 to Red Jezza and I don't think they're that stupid.


I would agree that he would spell electoral suicide for the tories if elected leader.

I also agree that he never expected the leave campaign to win and was merely jockeying for position once Cameron went. I think Gove's betrayal was something he never factored in at any stage.

He is keeping very dodgy company in Steve Bannon and it will be interesting to see if there are further controversial statements in the weeks and months ahead.

He has taken the spotlight off labour's anti-semitism difficulties and put Tory islamaphobia right back to the top of the agenda.

As we know Boris always does what's best for Boris.

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His wording was the problem for me. He’s not down the pub with his mates being a lad. He’s a public servant ffs and should know better and word things better. But that wouldn’t have got him any attention. He’s just saying controversial things for the sake of it. He’s like the spangles of the Tory party.

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I agree with some of the points and 20 years ago you might have been spot on. But politics is changing look at say nick clegg in his heyday or tony Blair. They always said precisely the right things and offended no one. But they treated the public with utter indifference. Same in America same in Europe populations are sick of it. I am in great danger in confusing shaggy who will no doubt say I love president trump. But the fact is he is the elected US president and you know what against another establishment clone I think he would win again. Sure the liberals on the east coast hate him but maybe not the ordinary joe in Kansas or wherever. Put this in perspective Johnson said burkas look like letter boxes (they do) and look ridiculous (they do) PC ? No but who is offended ? The liberals sure but I bet you the average person on the street agrees with him.


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You have to realize that your words as a public figure could empower idiots to take action against those who you speak of. Thaat's why in that position you HAVE to say the right thing.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I agree with some of the points and 20 years ago you might have been spot on. But politics is changing look at say nick clegg in his heyday or tony Blair. They always said precisely the right things and offended no one. But they treated the public with utter indifference. Same in America same in Europe populations are sick of it. I am in great danger in confusing shaggy who will no doubt say I love president trump. But the fact is he is the elected US president and you know what against another establishment clone I think he would win again. Sure the liberals on the east coast hate him but maybe not the ordinary joe in Kansas or wherever. Put this in perspective Johnson said burkas look like letter boxes (they do) and look ridiculous (they do) PC ? No but who is offended ? The liberals sure but I bet you the average person on the street agrees with him.


You're defending a racist. Politics is changing as intolerance takes hold.

He has previous history and if the tories had any scruples they would get rid of him.

It's Muslim women this week, who will be next? He is a horrible man and of course he has an agenda. He played to the Tory euro sceptics and the Ukippers during the referendum and now he is flirting with the far right and tommy robinsons mob.

He is a political opportunist with loyalty to no one but himself.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
You have to realize that your words as a public figure could empower idiots to take action against those who you speak of. Thaat's why in that position you HAVE to say the right thing.


Partly agree but excessive political correctness has resulted in violence and hatred towards Muslims. The Muslim child grooming gangs were allowed to go on for decades it was well known it has happening in the areas concerned. Hiding and ignoring it gave an excuse for some to take action. It's common sense maybe Johnson could have choose his words more responsibility but what he said was hardly extreme even on here (very left wing) most agree he is right and so do opinion polls. If he said all Muslims should go home then I see your point but this is really getting blown out of all proportion


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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I agree with some of the points and 20 years ago you might have been spot on. But politics is changing look at say nick clegg in his heyday or tony Blair. They always said precisely the right things and offended no one. But they treated the public with utter indifference. Same in America same in Europe populations are sick of it. I am in great danger in confusing shaggy who will no doubt say I love president trump. But the fact is he is the elected US president and you know what against another establishment clone I think he would win again. Sure the liberals on the east coast hate him but maybe not the ordinary joe in Kansas or wherever. Put this in perspective Johnson said burkas look like letter boxes (they do) and look ridiculous (they do) PC ? No but who is offended ? The liberals sure but I bet you the average person on the street agrees with him.


You're defending a racist. Politics is changing as intolerance takes hold.

He has previous history and if the tories had any scruples they would get rid of him.

It's Muslim women this week, who will be next? He is a horrible man and of course he has an agenda. He played to the Tory euro sceptics and the Ukippers during the referendum and now he is flirting with the far right and tommy robinsons mob.

He is a political opportunist with loyalty to no one but himself.






Everyone is a racist to you it's your favourite word. Maybe you should focus on people in your own community who have a different religion to you. Some of your language in the past has had loyalists / protestants as sub human. And yet you lecture on racism at every opportunity


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I agree with some of the points and 20 years ago you might have been spot on. But politics is changing look at say nick clegg in his heyday or tony Blair. They always said precisely the right things and offended no one. But they treated the public with utter indifference. Same in America same in Europe populations are sick of it. I am in great danger in confusing shaggy who will no doubt say I love president trump. But the fact is he is the elected US president and you know what against another establishment clone I think he would win again. Sure the liberals on the east coast hate him but maybe not the ordinary joe in Kansas or wherever. Put this in perspective Johnson said burkas look like letter boxes (they do) and look ridiculous (they do) PC ? No but who is offended ? The liberals sure but I bet you the average person on the street agrees with him.


You're defending a racist. Politics is changing as intolerance takes hold.

He has previous history and if the tories had any scruples they would get rid of him.

It's Muslim women this week, who will be next? He is a horrible man and of course he has an agenda. He played to the Tory euro sceptics and the Ukippers during the referendum and now he is flirting with the far right and tommy robinsons mob.

He is a political opportunist with loyalty to no one but himself.






Everyone is a racist to you it's your favourite word. Maybe you should focus on people in your own community who have a different religion to you. Some of your language in the past has had loyalists / protestants as sub human. And yet you lecture on racism at every opportunity


Show me the post where I called either Protestant/loyalists sub human.
I insist that you provide evidence this time.
You really have to stop lying when you have no argument.


You have recently called the Irish stupid and you are defending Johnson's latest outburst. As I have mentioned before we all know why you really voted Brexit.

Again I challenge you to produce a post where I referred to Protestant/loyalists as subhuman.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
You have to realize that your words as a public figure could empower idiots to take action against those who you speak of. Thaat's why in that position you HAVE to say the right thing.


Partly agree but excessive political correctness has resulted in violence and hatred towards Muslims. The Muslim child grooming gangs were allowed to go on for decades it was well known it has happening in the areas concerned. Hiding and ignoring it gave an excuse for some to take action. It's common sense maybe Johnson could have choose his words more responsibility but what he said was hardly extreme even on here (very left wing) most agree he is right and so do opinion polls. If he said all Muslims should go home then I see your point but this is really getting blown out of all proportion


You should know by now that I’m not one for being overly pc. But he’s just given all those who choose to an excuse to use such language to those who wear the veil. All the have to say now is ‘it’s ok for Boris to say it so why can’t I?’ It’s not how public figures should speak and not an example they should set.

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Shaggy you may not have said protestants are sub human but you speak of them routinely in a negative light of less importance than your community you have done it for years. You are full of hatred for some in your community and for the British. It's naked sectarianism you can see it a mile off hating people because of who they are and where they are. You are the self professed expert on racisim which you accuse at every opportunity. Please explain how sectarianism is different from racism ? For me they are exactly the same.


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