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Of course the express and mail do the same thing as the guardian / independent. With newspaper articles what you should look at is not what they say but what they don't say and use your judgement. A nice long post there shaggy but nothing in it other than being disparaging. Clearly we are heading for a soft brexit I can live with that provided a) we legally leave the EU as members b) the three red lines are not crossed (I won't repeat them again). For me I would be happy with that the big fear (which might still happen) is the establishment does not allow brexit either keeps making us vote until we give the right answer (a classic EU trait) or indefinitely postpones brexit until we get bored. Either are possible. As for the independent story on reflection (which involves thinking shaggy) I think it's a non story. We know there is a transition period we know we have to obey some EU rules then so contractually we either have to have a new agreement (which requires all 28 to agree and will take years) or we technically retain small elements of the 1972 for a short period. There is also article 50 to consider I assume once this expires we are no longer a member. But I am not an expert on international law I may be wrong anyone clarify? Shaggy you continue to post your links and say people are bad people I now no longer have an expectation of anything better

What you no longer have Stan, indeed what you never had, like all brexiteers is an answer.

Not one acceptable Brexit plan put forward in 2 years.

I will put it in black and white

1 -Another referedum
2- Extending article 50
3- The UK staying in the single market and customs union

Would get my back up

All are possible hence why I will take a soft brexit rather than no brexit at all. Which is what the establishment secretly want. An Irish republican siding with the british establishment against ordinary people funny old world we live in

So you see the British establishment as an enemy of the British people.

It took a while but well done.

Anyone who thinks Tory brexiteers care about ordinary people needs to catch themselves on.

The people who voted for brexit came from all walks of life and all political allegances 7 out of ten labour constituencies voted to leave almost the entire north of England and Midlands (hardly a rich area) voted to leave. So maybe you are the one who needs to catch themselves on. And for the record yes I don't trust the establishment my first lesson was hillsborough and on many occasions since I have never had cause to change my mind. John major recently described the electorate as "the tyranny of the majority" the majority shaggy is is you and me the plebs. John major and establishment figures think the majority of people are thick and are not clever enough to vote on how we are governed it should be left to people like him. Presumably you agree with him ?

The people who voted for brexit came from all walks of life and all political allegances 7 out of ten labour constituencies voted to leave almost the entire north of England and Midlands (hardly a rich area) voted to leave. So maybe you are the one who needs to catch themselves on. And for the record yes I don't trust the establishment my first lesson was hillsborough and on many occasions since I have never had cause to change my mind. John major recently described the electorate as "the tyranny of the majority" the majority shaggy is is you and me the plebs. John major and establishment figures think the majority of people are thick and are not clever enough to vote on how we are governed it should be left to people like him. Presumably you agree with him ?