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I am not talking about the solution but the process to get to the solution. She hasn't been able to unite her cabinet, let alone the government and no need to mention the MPs. I understand it's almost impossible to get the opposition on your side, but your own cabinet is the minimum, don't you think? She is a shyte leader to me, not even being able to unite her cabinet.
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I am not talking about the solution but the process to get to the solution. She hasn't been able to unite her cabinet, let alone the government and no need to mention the MPs. I understand it's almost impossible to get the opposition on your side, but your own cabinet is the minimum, don't you think? She is a shyte leader to me, not even being able to unite her cabinet. You have a point but she had a minority government and hence did not have a lot of power. With hindsight she should have stuck to her Lancaster house position moving from that has caused the split we are seeing now.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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I am not talking about the solution but the process to get to the solution. She hasn't been able to unite her cabinet, let alone the government and no need to mention the MPs. I understand it's almost impossible to get the opposition on your side, but your own cabinet is the minimum, don't you think? She is a shyte leader to me, not even being able to unite her cabinet. So how do you keep all your MP’s on side? Should she have just sacked them? There is no way to make people tow the line if the really don’t want to especially the likes of Boris who are just out for themselves. I can’t remember the last time there weren’t rebels in any political party. For me it says more about those going against her than it does her leadership.
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I'm gonna rob your punchline again... Oh dear. Why and stop it! It’s reserved for me and me only.
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I am not talking about the solution but the process to get to the solution. She hasn't been able to unite her cabinet, let alone the government and no need to mention the MPs. I understand it's almost impossible to get the opposition on your side, but your own cabinet is the minimum, don't you think? She is a shyte leader to me, not even being able to unite her cabinet. So how do you keep all your MP’s on side? Should she have just sacked them? There is no way to make people tow the line if the really don’t want to especially the likes of Boris who are just out for themselves. I can’t remember the last time there weren’t rebels in any political party. For me it says more about those going against her than it does her leadership. This shows that she has no leadership. There are disagreements in any organisation but it's up to the leader to lead, to influence, to convince. Not saying it's easy, but do you think it was easier for Churchill or De Gaule or Gandhi or Mandela? Your country is so divided that only a good leader could work something out to unite a majority, wrong person at the wrong place. In fact the choice is clear, do you think you will be better to trade with the EU without borders (customs union) or trade with the world (trade deal)? Politicians don't know that but they can get economists and businessmen (from both sides of the equation) to help them out, get them to debate openly to the cabinet and then agree a vision. Only then you go into negotiations. Regarding your MPs, you tell them that if there is no majority you'll have no option but to call a general election, very few who are already elected would like to go for elections. She is useless.
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She’s trying to keep people in line that don’t want to be kept in line. It’s not like running a company. These are people who are out for themselves and themselves only. Politicians have shown time and time again that they can’t be kept in line and I can’t remember any leader in this country that has managed this. So not really sure how it shows she’s a bad leader?
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Probably missed in all this news is employment is at record levels and wage growth is increasing. If this is as bad then I hope it remains bad for a long time. I don't know what to make of Theresa May but most reasonable people would have to conceed she has had probably the most difficult job as prime minister since thatcher and Churchill. I note our remain experts on here are good at pointing out what is wrong not quite so good at explaining what they would do were they in mays shoes other than cancelling brexit the day after the vote. I don't like the chequers deal but given the politics I am not sure what I would have done differently. What a pity in this time of national need opposition parties could not support the government in the national interest instead of playing party politics with such an important issue You do realise you are STILL in the EU?
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She’s trying to keep people in line that don’t want to be kept in line. It’s not like running a company. These are people who are out for themselves and themselves only. Politicians have shown time and time again that they can’t be kept in line and I can’t remember any leader in this country that has managed this. So not really sure how it shows she’s a bad leader? What's the main job of a leader (this is what she is, isn't t) according to you? She cannot handle them as she has no authority. She moves with the wave instead of forcing through her convictions, if she has them of course. She has a big stick if required, which is called general elections, all PMs have this and all MPs in power are afraid of this. She also has a big advantage, nobody seems to want her job.
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Not yet anyway, they just need her there for the bad news part then the vultures like boris will swoop. Some leaders then u will have.
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She’s trying to keep people in line that don’t want to be kept in line. It’s not like running a company. These are people who are out for themselves and themselves only. Politicians have shown time and time again that they can’t be kept in line and I can’t remember any leader in this country that has managed this. So not really sure how it shows she’s a bad leader? What's the main job of a leader (this is what she is, isn't t) according to you? She cannot handle them as she has no authority. She moves with the wave instead of forcing through her convictions, if she has them of course. She has a big stick if required, which is called general elections, all PMs have this and all MPs in power are afraid of this. She also has a big advantage, nobody seems to want her job. The thing is you can’t compare her job to any normal job. As a manager or leader of a company it’s much easier to keep people in line and most workers respect their authority. MO’s are so much different. Yes she has a big stick but then who ever it’s used on is on the back benches and can still effect what happens. It’s a democracy you know? If she deselected any of them then there would be big questions to answer around that democracy. I’m also not entirely sure why MO’s would be that concerned about a general election either? A lot of seats are safe so it would only worry the few and people like Boris wouldn’t give a crap about it as he’ll be safe as people seem to love him for some reason.
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