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I suppose the SNP leader was also drunk when she made fun of May's dirty dancing...ha

Brexiteers (whoever they are) are not the government but as I have said to you (but nothing sinks in) Canada plus is probably the plan based on what I recall in the pre 2016 debates. You keep saying brexit in name only care to explain how either chequers or Canada plus are that ? I know you won't it's just a taunt you have no idea what either are do you ? prove me wrong and no links please

Oh Dear. Are you now claiming you don't even know who the brexiteers are?

So you have never heard of Davis, Johnson or Gove. They were all part of the government.

Davis and Johnson jumped ship when they realised that the brexit they promised the electorate was never deliverable.

Easiest trade deal in history, have our cake and eat it, f**k business. You know, that kind of stuff.

Gove simply switched camps and is now quite happy with Chequers, surprising to see that, given that he is a man of such honour. Just ask Boris.

It's not me you have to convince that Chequers is not Brexit in Name Only, its Boris and Davis along with JRM and several dozen other conservative MP's. They both resigned because of it or did Theresa's dancing lead to you missing that fact.

As for Canada plus, good luck selling that to May and the DUP. Another General Election anyone?

Brexiteers have no feasible plan as witnessed by their silence at the Tory party conference. May"s leadership has never been safer and the UK will end up with a version of Chequers with further UK concessions. But you will have your blue passports.

No answer to why it's brexit in name only just stuff about boris Johnson Micheal give etc and general stuff. Nothing new there then your limit is taunting a few phrases you have picked up but clearly don't understand. As far as I understand boris Johnson supports a Canada deal but boris Johnson other than his vote is not in charge of brexit. As for myself reluctantly I support Theresa Mays position. It's far from ideal but it is probably the best path between the conflicting politics. I don't have the answers to what is a complex arrangement but if we are out of the single market, customs union and limited to occasional trade verdicts with the EU with the ECJ and can still strike independent trade deals that will do for me. I said from day one a deal will be done from the EU and not everyone will be happy (no one ever is). But I thank god I am capable of expressing an opinion of my own

For me the massive red line is staying in the single market that would be brexit in name only

You are not alone. There isn't one brexiteer that has an answer to this most complex of arrangements. Plenty of cowards though who completely abdicated their responsibility and left May to clear up their mess.

As for your acceptance of Chequers it just merely reinforces the view that for many brexiteers any Brexit will do.

I think your final deal will be "Chequers Light" which would be touted by the right wing press as a glorious victory for Brexit Britain.

A terrible lot of bother for a blue passport you could have had all along.

I actually think that in any deal the UK will be able to control it's borders when it comes to migration. IMO, that was the main reason for Brexit at it will be achieved, however, in practice, though controlled, there will be as much migration but not only from the EU. Businesses will still need people and a lot of jobs won't be done by the British, in addition, companies will fight rising wages, Unless they are forced to, otherwise they will move to cheaper countries, delocalise.

That's nonesense Vish I distinctly remember the brexit debates before the vote the argument was not against immigration generally but uncontrolled immigration. Yes you are right Britain needs skills and our post EU position will be one of a points based system based on skill need. What has massively damaged our society has been a flood of low skilled labour into Britain which has overwhelmed public services / social housing and driven wages down of the poorest in Britain. We want an immigration like Mauritius has and you are saying we can't have that. What a strange position to be in.

This is what I said "I actually think that in any deal the UK will be able to control it's borders when it comes to migration", which part is nonsense according to you?

In Mauritius we control our migration, where did I say you cannot have it, I've said you'll probably get it? What I said is that despite controlling your migration, you will still have low skilled migration as I am sure lots of British do not want those jobs probably because they don't like such jobs and/or they are not well paid. If you pay higher wages, companies will prefer to delocalise to lower cost countries. This is why in Mauritius, though it's controlled, there are some low skilled migrants and companies want more of them. Because there has been too much control according to companies, they have been moving their operations to Madagascar.

Oh I see your point. Yes we will have low skilled migration such as fruit picking on a short term visa. Although I see the government has set a financial threshold you have to earn x which I don't quite understand. I have no problem with anyone coming to Britain long term or short term provided they have the skills and there is a need that cannot be met internally. That seems reasonable and common sense to me. I don't agree with the government setting a financial threshold. In the madness of the EU britain was allowing in unskilled people and criminals as well and turning away IT specialists and engineers from India etc.. That is clearly madness and the British people who I believe are one of the most welcoming in the world clearly felt enough was enough. And in case anyone wants to throw the race card at me in the EU freedom of movement white people from Eastern Europe were free to come to Britain and brown people from India were refused irrespective of what they had to offer Britain that is real racisim to me. Thank god it's going to stop