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The English civil war in the 1600,s was partly fought over catholic and prodestants also if you look through English medieval history religion played a massive part in conflicts and segtarianism was normal.

After several centuries we grew up

Looking forward to the day when the men of evil in Northern Ireland grow up and their stupid supporters. Until that day there will never be peace and the innocents will suffer. Most people in Northern Ireland are decent people (even in the height of the troubles) Unfortunetly a few idiots and half wits still have influence

To my mind the segtarianism in Northern Ireland is (in principle) no different to us schoolkids in the 1970's fighting the school next door because it was a prodestant school. They were different to us so let's fight it's a natural human reaction we are tribal animals and the same can be seen across the world. But in modern educated society in most places we have evolved out of it. Some friends of mine recently had a booze up in Northern Ireland they enjoyed it Belfast they said was a nice city. As you know terrorism history is now a tourist attraction they went to Derry and the areas of Belfast in the taxi tour of the gruesome tales. What they were shocked about was how small it is and how close the warring sides are to each other. World famous names like the shankhill and falls road are right next to each other. The murals are still there and literally one street can have prodestant murals mocking the Catholics and a streer or two away is the same for the Catholics mocking the prodestants. Complete and utter madness. I don't buy this is due to what happened in the 1600,s far worse things happened in the English civil war at the same time villages who refused to yield were put to the sword and burnt to the ground in England yet today no one bothers most are totally unaware of the history the X factor is what most think of. To me Northern Ireland is a tribal thing that's got out of hand. As for brexit I am reluctantly supporting the chequers agreement I am not totally happy but given the internal politics it's probably the only realistic option.

Tory conference all week and still no brexiteer plan?

Brexit in Name Only it is then.

The brexiteer plan is probably Canada plus. Who knows what the final deal will be but michael portillo on this week last night re-affirmed his view post tory conference May will move to a chequers (so she can say its her deal) and tweaked canada (to get the brexiteers onside). Thats my view also which to be fair to me I have posted quite a few times in the last weeks. I do think a deal will be agreed the problem is the politics both in UK and EU but mainly UK

No politics in the EU are you joking ?

What politics, as everybody says, they are not even elected. Do you see the commission fighting each other over the deal? I see it in UK, not only between parties, but within parties. For the EU there are already options to choose from, the only complication is NI.

The EU has a commission which is not elected but highly political many of whom are regularly in the press juncker is almost a celebrity. Then we have the heads of the 27 EU states who are elected. I don't see the commission fighting over the brexit deal but I bet behind closed doors there is plenty going on. The EU commision is practically at war with many of the EU member states Italy Poland and Hungary spring to mind. In the electorate in Europe things are in meltdown with far right and left parties coming to power alongside riots. No politics in the EU ? Really ?