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Do you think Labour would be any less divided? Do you know how most labour voters /areas voted in the referendum?
And there should have been a cross party group for dealing with brexit. But labour, for me, are going beyond what the need to be doing at this moment. Trying to force a general election this close to our exit isn’t trying to help it’s trying to seize power any way they can. It’s a pathetic attempt to get where they probably never should.
Let me ask you though. Should they force a general election, do you think that would help us get s better deal? It may prevent a no deal wilki. Also no deal is going to be better than the deal Britain already has/had with the EU. The only way it would prevent a no deal is if they would go there and bend over for the eu. That’s leaving without leaving and would be s massive kop out. That wouldn’t make them good negotiators as even I could do that.
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Do you think Labour would be any less divided? Do you know how most labour voters /areas voted in the referendum?
And there should have been a cross party group for dealing with brexit. But labour, for me, are going beyond what the need to be doing at this moment. Trying to force a general election this close to our exit isn’t trying to help it’s trying to seize power any way they can. It’s a pathetic attempt to get where they probably never should.
Let me ask you though. Should they force a general election, do you think that would help us get s better deal? I think Labour will negotiate a customs union deal with the EU which according to me is acceptable by most. It's true you will not be able to negotiate trade deals on your own but will benefit from all the trade deals you have been benefiting for decades and there is more to come. The Irish border issue will be solved and so would uncontrolled migration. You might have to pay something for it but you will benefit more than what you pay. The Brexiters in labour care mainly about uncontrolled migration. In fact Chequers is to some extent a customs union but where you can have your own trade deals and therefore differing tariffs, which doesn't make any sense as they are mutually exclusive and too complicated. That said, I don't think raising taxes and forcing companies to give away 10% of their shares will attract investors. So yes, from what I have seen,a Labour government would get you a better deal instead of the limbo you are in now, but I don't think the current Labour is good for business, therefore the economy. Don't know what happened to the Blairites, not Blair but the Blairites. So basically the softest of brexits? How would the 52% of voters who wanted to leave feel about that? Not good I’d imagine. But it’s the only way they’d get a deal in such a short time and the eu would absolutely love it (and not doubt be p!ssing themselves with laughter while accepting it). I also wonder whether labour would put their deal to a public vote like they’re calling for now? I completely agree about their policies though. They haven’t a fecking clue and would drive business from this country. Their policies are outdated and would have worked 59 years ago let alone now.
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Do you think Labour would be any less divided? Do you know how most labour voters /areas voted in the referendum?
And there should have been a cross party group for dealing with brexit. But labour, for me, are going beyond what the need to be doing at this moment. Trying to force a general election this close to our exit isn’t trying to help it’s trying to seize power any way they can. It’s a pathetic attempt to get where they probably never should.
Let me ask you though. Should they force a general election, do you think that would help us get s better deal? I think Labour will negotiate a customs union deal with the EU which according to me is acceptable by most. It's true you will not be able to negotiate trade deals on your own but will benefit from all the trade deals you have been benefiting for decades and there is more to come. The Irish border issue will be solved and so would uncontrolled migration. You might have to pay something for it but you will benefit more than what you pay. The Brexiters in labour care mainly about uncontrolled migration. In fact Chequers is to some extent a customs union but where you can have your own trade deals and therefore differing tariffs, which doesn't make any sense as they are mutually exclusive and too complicated. That said, I don't think raising taxes and forcing companies to give away 10% of their shares will attract investors. So yes, from what I have seen,a Labour government would get you a better deal instead of the limbo you are in now, but I don't think the current Labour is good for business, therefore the economy. Don't know what happened to the Blairites, not Blair but the Blairites. So basically the softest of brexits? How would the 52% of voters who wanted to leave feel about that? Not good I’d imagine. But it’s the only way they’d get a deal in such a short time and the eu would absolutely love it (and not doubt be p!ssing themselves with laughter while accepting it). I also wonder whether labour would put their deal to a public vote like they’re calling for now? I completely agree about their policies though. They haven’t a fecking clue and would drive business from this country. Their policies are outdated and would have worked 59 years ago let alone now. No, the softest of deals is a Norway like one ie part of the customs union AND the EU single market. I am talking about being ONLY in the customs union like Turkey, how can that be the softest of Brexits? Most of the 52% would be happy as you will be able to control immigration
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It still wouldn't be the Brexit that a lot voted for and would also have to pass through the EU. No guarantee of that in what would be a lot less than the 6 months left now. The EU would most definitely have us over a barrel with our pants down.
And like I asked, do you think Labour should or would put any deal they could come up with to a public vote like they want now?
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Immigration was the sole reason for most of the leave vote.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Unless there is a deal we leave on no deal that's the current act of parliment. To stop that would require a reversing act of parliment (a majority of MP,s would need to reverse the act they have just agreed the justification for that will be interesting) then all 27 EU countries will have to agree. If just one objects the process cannot be allowed. That's a lot of very big hurdles to cross. Assuming that is achieved then after the biggest British vote in history our lovely politicians will tell the people we are not allowing you to leave your vote is meaningless. That's going to be fun to watch
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Unless there is a deal we leave on no deal that's the current act of parliment. To stop that would require a reversing act of parliment (a majority of MP,s would need to reverse the act they have just agreed the justification for that will be interesting) then all 27 EU countries will have to agree. If just one objects the process cannot be allowed. That's a lot of very big hurdles to cross. Assuming that is achieved then after the biggest British vote in history our lovely politicians will tell the people we are not allowing you to leave your vote is meaningless. That's going to be fun to watch You mean it will get even funnier than it has been since the vote?
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Unless there is a deal we leave on no deal that's the current act of parliment. To stop that would require a reversing act of parliment (a majority of MP,s would need to reverse the act they have just agreed the justification for that will be interesting) then all 27 EU countries will have to agree. If just one objects the process cannot be allowed. That's a lot of very big hurdles to cross. Assuming that is achieved then after the biggest British vote in history our lovely politicians will tell the people we are not allowing you to leave your vote is meaningless. That's going to be fun to watch You mean it will get even funnier than it has been since the vote? I agree our politcians have been an utter disgrace. But this now is the last throw of the remoaners dice
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Immigration was the sole reason for most of the leave vote. Was it? Where have you seen those figures?
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Unless there is a deal we leave on no deal that's the current act of parliment. To stop that would require a reversing act of parliment (a majority of MP,s would need to reverse the act they have just agreed the justification for that will be interesting) then all 27 EU countries will have to agree. If just one objects the process cannot be allowed. That's a lot of very big hurdles to cross. Assuming that is achieved then after the biggest British vote in history our lovely politicians will tell the people we are not allowing you to leave your vote is meaningless. That's going to be fun to watch You mean it will get even funnier than it has been since the vote? I agree our politcians have been an utter disgrace. But this now is the last throw of the remoaners dice I don't think it's only what you call remoaners. Yesterday May said that a Canada type agreement would be worse than a no deal but Rees Mogg, Davis, Boris only want a Canada type agreement, they are all Brexiters in the Tory party, so how do you sort that out? What does Labour got to do with this?
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