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Wilki it was the tories that created the Brexit mess.
That has nothing to do with the opposition parties.
Yes I know they created the situation. They need to get their own house in order. But ALL opposition parties would vote anything down regardless as they all want it their own way. It’d be the same if it was Labour trying to get a deal through too as they’re not 100% united on this and the Tory’s and the rest of them would vote their deal down. Getting a deal to keep everyone happy was and will never happen. What would your solution to this mess be then? Wilki if May was able to unite the tories and the DUP it wouldn't matter what the opposition did. Ireland is going to be collateral damage in this madness. We didn't ask for any of this. The solution lies with the Tory party. As I keep repeating wilki, they created Brexit, it is their responsibility to find the solution. The deal that May negotiated was not acceptable to the tory party and the DUP. May has now been instructed to go back to the EU to renegotiate the deal she negotiated. What is she going to replace it with? It took her over two years to come up with Plan A, do you honestly think she had time to come up with a Plan B also, just in case. The whole thing is a farce. So your plan is to do what she’s trying to do? Good to know. And how can any party be united when there are clearly different opinions around this subject? The only ones that seem united are the Lib Dem’s and the SNP.
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Whenever you ask shaggy what he would do all you get back is a list of gripes. He is incapable of forming an opinion even a poor opinion would be welcome to no opinion whatsoever. Go on shaggy give it a go. You are Theresa May given parliment (an unholy mix of factions who agree on nothing) you have your deal how do you get it through parliment ? Specfically I am asking what your next steps would be? If what I am asking is unclear or confusing you please let me know and I will try to explain another way It’s the problem with everyone against brexit and the deal. All just crying about what’s wrong with the deal and have nothing, zero as a viable alternative. I love it when you hear MP’s talking about it and then get asked about alternatives. They go full politician mode in not answering the question. Fukking pathetic really that these are the people ‘running’ our country.
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Whenever you ask shaggy what he would do all you get back is a list of gripes. He is incapable of forming an opinion even a poor opinion would be welcome to no opinion whatsoever. Go on shaggy give it a go. You are Theresa May given parliment (an unholy mix of factions who agree on nothing) you have your deal how do you get it through parliment ? Specfically I am asking what your next steps would be? If what I am asking is unclear or confusing you please let me know and I will try to explain another way It’s the problem with everyone against brexit and the deal. All just crying about what’s wrong with the deal and have nothing, zero as a viable alternative. I love it when you hear MP’s talking about it and then get asked about alternatives. They go full politician mode in not answering the question. Fukking pathetic really that these are the people ‘running’ our country. I don't think anyone thinks that Brexit isn't going to happen. May tried to negotiate a Withdrawal Agreement that would cause the least damage to the UK, Your parliament voted against that and you are now in the insane position of looking to have an agreement that took 2 years to negotiating reopened and amendments made less than 2 months before you are due to leave. This is despite being told that the deal was concluded and could not be reopened by the EU. The Tory party (well the DUP & ERG) are the people running your country. It is up to them to come up with a solution. That is going to be difficult when both those groups want a No Deal Brexit. I am starting to agree with Vish, maybe you should experience what exactly a No a deal Brexit involves and we will see if it is only Project Fear.
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Wilki it was the tories that created the Brexit mess.
That has nothing to do with the opposition parties.
Yes I know they created the situation. They need to get their own house in order. But ALL opposition parties would vote anything down regardless as they all want it their own way. It’d be the same if it was Labour trying to get a deal through too as they’re not 100% united on this and the Tory’s and the rest of them would vote their deal down. Getting a deal to keep everyone happy was and will never happen. What would your solution to this mess be then? Wilki if May was able to unite the tories and the DUP it wouldn't matter what the opposition did. Ireland is going to be collateral damage in this madness. We didn't ask for any of this. The solution lies with the Tory party. As I keep repeating wilki, they created Brexit, it is their responsibility to find the solution. The deal that May negotiated was not acceptable to the tory party and the DUP. May has now been instructed to go back to the EU to renegotiate the deal she negotiated. What is she going to replace it with? It took her over two years to come up with Plan A, do you honestly think she had time to come up with a Plan B also, just in case. The whole thing is a farce. So your plan is to do what she’s trying to do? Good to know. And how can any party be united when there are clearly different opinions around this subject? The only ones that seem united are the Lib Dem’s and the SNP. You are continually ignoring the fact that May only has to get her own MP's and the DUP to agree to her deal and the opposition are powerless. I'm not quite sure why you have decided that May's Brexit plan is mine all of a sudden? She hasn't managed to create an acceptable Brexit Plan A so there is very little chance of her coming up with a Brexit Plan B.
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Whenever you ask shaggy what he would do all you get back is a list of gripes. He is incapable of forming an opinion even a poor opinion would be welcome to no opinion whatsoever. Go on shaggy give it a go. You are Theresa May given parliment (an unholy mix of factions who agree on nothing) you have your deal how do you get it through parliment ? Specfically I am asking what your next steps would be? If what I am asking is unclear or confusing you please let me know and I will try to explain another way You were told last week that 900 jobs had already been lost as a direct result of Brexit and you demanded evidence. When you were given evidence you went strangely quiet. You have been called out several,times about your racist remarks about Irish people, (stupid, retarded hedgehogs, 1 British live worth 50 Irish lives) and again you went strangely quiet. In my opinion you are an anti Irish racist and like most racists when confronted you aren't even man enough to apologise. By all means keep insulting me, it doesn't bother me in the least as it only highlights your ignorance, racism and reinforces why you really voted leave. #Blue Passport
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You are continually ignoring the fact that May only has to get her own MP's and the DUP to agree to her deal and the opposition are powerless.
I'm not quite sure why you have decided that May's Brexit plan is mine all of a sudden? She hasn't managed to create an acceptable Brexit Plan A so there is very little chance of her coming up with a Brexit Plan B.
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just pointing out that to get them all to agree when they all have different opinions on it is very hard. It'd be hard for any party but more so with the nob head Tory euro skeptics who seem to want to just crash out. May's deal isn't your's but you're the one doing the most moaning about it. If you don't like what she's doing, surely you must have an opinion of what you'd like her to do but you never express it. Just moan after moan after moan with a few ant-Brexit links thrown in. Seems par for the course for all you that are against Brexit and the deal.
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Whenever you ask shaggy what he would do all you get back is a list of gripes. He is incapable of forming an opinion even a poor opinion would be welcome to no opinion whatsoever. Go on shaggy give it a go. You are Theresa May given parliment (an unholy mix of factions who agree on nothing) you have your deal how do you get it through parliment ? Specfically I am asking what your next steps would be? If what I am asking is unclear or confusing you please let me know and I will try to explain another way You have been called out several,times about your racist remarks about Irish people, (stupid, retarded hedgehogs, 1 British live worth 50 Irish lives) and again you went strangely quiet. In my opinion you are an anti Irish racist and like most racists when confronted you aren't even man enough to apologise. By all means keep insulting me, it doesn't bother me in the least as it only highlights your ignorance, racism and reinforces why you really voted leave. #Blue Passport Funny that you did too when I mentioned Tesco cutting 9000 jobs NOT as a result of Brexit.
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[quote=Shaggydog]
You are continually ignoring the fact that May only has to get her own MP's and the DUP to agree to her deal and the opposition are powerless.
I'm not quite sure why you have decided that May's Brexit plan is mine all of a sudden? She hasn't managed to create an acceptable Brexit Plan A so there is very little chance of her coming up with a Brexit Plan B. I'm not ignoring it. I'm just pointing out that to get them all to agree when they all have different opinions on it is very hard. It'd be hard for any party but more so with the nob head Tory euro skeptics who seem to want to just crash out. May's deal isn't your's but you're the one doing the most moaning about it. If you don't like what she's doing, surely you must have an opinion of what you'd like her to do but you never express it. Just moan after moan after moan with a few ant-Brexit links thrown in. Seems par for the course for all you that are against Brexit and the deal. [/quote Tell me wilki what is your solution, apart from going all happy clappy and hoping for the best. It is entirely irrelevant if I like it or not. The fact that it resulted in the biggest ever defeat for a government in history would tell you that more people than me are unhappy with it. It would have been nice if your PM had not reneged on her deal in relation to the backstop. But unfortunately we now know that May is not to be trusted. That's makes negotiations very tricky.
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Whenever you ask shaggy what he would do all you get back is a list of gripes. He is incapable of forming an opinion even a poor opinion would be welcome to no opinion whatsoever. Go on shaggy give it a go. You are Theresa May given parliment (an unholy mix of factions who agree on nothing) you have your deal how do you get it through parliment ? Specfically I am asking what your next steps would be? If what I am asking is unclear or confusing you please let me know and I will try to explain another way You have been called out several,times about your racist remarks about Irish people, (stupid, retarded hedgehogs, 1 British live worth 50 Irish lives) and again you went strangely quiet. In my opinion you are an anti Irish racist and like most racists when confronted you aren't even man enough to apologise. By all means keep insulting me, it doesn't bother me in the least as it only highlights your ignorance, racism and reinforces why you really voted leave. #Blue Passport Funny that you did too when I mentioned Tesco cutting 9000 jobs NOT as a result of Brexit. I never claimed the 9000 jobs lost in Tesco where as a result of Brexit. I'm afraid that distinction seems to be lost on you.
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[quote=Shaggydog]
You are continually ignoring the fact that May only has to get her own MP's and the DUP to agree to her deal and the opposition are powerless.
I'm not quite sure why you have decided that May's Brexit plan is mine all of a sudden? She hasn't managed to create an acceptable Brexit Plan A so there is very little chance of her coming up with a Brexit Plan B. I'm not ignoring it. I'm just pointing out that to get them all to agree when they all have different opinions on it is very hard. It'd be hard for any party but more so with the nob head Tory euro skeptics who seem to want to just crash out. May's deal isn't your's but you're the one doing the most moaning about it. If you don't like what she's doing, surely you must have an opinion of what you'd like her to do but you never express it. Just moan after moan after moan with a few ant-Brexit links thrown in. Seems par for the course for all you that are against Brexit and the deal. [/quote Tell me wilki what is your solution, apart from going all happy clappy and hoping for the best. It is entirely irrelevant if I like it or not. The fact that it resulted in the biggest ever defeat for a government in history would tell you that more people than me are unhappy with it. It would have been nice if your PM had not reneged on her deal in relation to the backstop. But unfortunately we now know that May is not to be trusted. That's makes negotiations very tricky. I have no idea what I want as I voted remain. But I'm not the one moaning about every small detail. If I were to moan about something, I'd at least try and suggest what I would want though. And how could May not change the backstop and get her party on side? You say she needs to do that yet moan about her having to do it to do what you say she needs to?? I'm not sure how that works?
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