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The problem with being in the customs union is we cannot strike independant trade deals specifically in britains interests one of the the key benefits of brexit. Plus we will be forever tied to eu rules and have no say in them. However I would take being in the customs union rather than no brexit at all which many of our MP,s are plotting by amending parliment rules amongst other undemocratic means. If they succeed I shudder to think what will happen to our social order. Liam fox over the weekend described it as astronomical implications and he is not far wrong

You'll have to choose between being in the customs union and having a hard border with the EU including ROI, I think that most people don't even understand customs union, common market, Norway EFTA, Canada ++, even, Wilkij thought customs union meant free movement a couple of posts ago. Shows that a lot of people who voted don't even understand the technicalities, I don't blame them, it not simple, I blame the person who got them to vote on such complicated technical issues. This is why I think no deal will get hard core leavers realise what it means.

No you dont thats nonsense

You see, you don't understand, how is that nonsense? Why all the fuss then? Just explain how it can be otherwise? How can you not have a trade border if your trade rules are different?

In all the probably now hundreds of TV debates, acres of newspaper articles I have never heard that we have to be in a customs union to avoid a hard border. Furthermore the British government and the British civil service seems to be unaware of your findings Vish. Perhaps you should contact the British government without delay as they appear to be under a misapprehension

So you haven't understood, I'm sorry to say. What is the backstop according to you, it is basically staying in the customs union. I don't think you get involved a lot in international goods trade, I do, everyday. I'll give you one example, do you know that there is a trade border between the EU and Switzerland, you need paperworks done by customs clearing agents if you move any cargo across and there are random checks as well. Anyway, you don't need to believe me and I will let you believe in whatever you want, let's just keep on watching the soap. I said it would be interesting the day after the referendum, I am not disappointed, I would like more with a no deal now.

I thought it was only a no deal that would mean physical borders? The backstop as I understand is to prevent a hard border for Ireland in the event that we can’t agree a trade deal within a certain period after we’ve left with a deal?

But who the fukk knows with all this ball hang?

There is no law that says you need to have a hard border with physical checks WTO rules only say you need an effective border. Also the backstop would guarantee a hard border and such a measure is only a temporary measure holding the whole of the uk in a customs union until such time as new arrangements can be agreed. So you don't have to be in a permanent customs union to avoid a hard border. Otherwise the British government would be campaigning for a permenant customs union which they are not.

Yes, the backstop means no hard border because you will be aligned with the EU tariffs and regulations, same as in a customs union. That's the whole debate, should the UK have it's own trade tariffs and regulations and therefore have a trade border (like Switzerland) with the EU including ROI or be in a or some sort of customs union.

The British government want/think that in the negotiated future trade deal there will be no borders while the EU doesn't see it that way, you know all the checks will be done electronically etc. Currently, the only possible exosting no border with the EU is if you are in a customs union. As I said, if you move goods to and from Switzerland you need customs paperwork and there are random customs checks while if you do the same thing with France, no paperworks, no checks.