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Originally Posted By Shaggydog


I think the problem Stan is that Brexit is undeliverable.


It is deliverable if they all stop fukking around and playing politics. It’ll take compromise on both sides and you’ll never keep everyone happy and people need to accept it like it or not. I voted remain but am far from happy that they’re all fukking about and with people frustrating the process.

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The politicians frustrating brexit are a mix of firstly those who can't accept the result and are trying to stop it by guerilla tactics including outside funding from soros and other magnates including a massive fake news programme currently ongoing. The second bunch are mainly labour and their aim is to use brexit to bring down the government in effect damaging britains interest to gain political power. There are a number of labour MP,s at the moment facing deselection because they voted to respect brexit and help the government to get a deal. They are facing deselection not because they support brexit but because they did not vote to damage the government even though that would damage Britain. Let's out this in perspective an MP swears an oath to serve the country and they are supposed to represent their consitiuents most labour constituencies voted leave. So if shaggy says brexit is undeliverable it is only because of our political class. They are an utter disgrace and post brexit we need to be thinking of new parties like as been the case in Europe. I understand the party leading France only started a few years ago.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The politicians frustrating brexit are a mix of firstly those who can't accept the result and are trying to stop it by guerilla tactics including outside funding from soros and other magnates including a massive fake news programme currently ongoing. The second bunch are mainly labour and their aim is to use brexit to bring down the government in effect damaging britains interest to gain political power. There are a number of labour MP,s at the moment facing deselection because they voted to respect brexit and help the government to get a deal. They are facing deselection not because they support brexit but because they did not vote to damage the government even though that would damage Britain. Let's out this in perspective an MP swears an oath to serve the country and they are supposed to represent their consitiuents most labour constituencies voted leave. So if shaggy says brexit is undeliverable it is only because of our political class. They are an utter disgrace and post brexit we need to be thinking of new parties like as been the case in Europe. I understand the party leading France only started a few years ago.


Nothing will change politically in Britain until you introduce proportional representation.

As you said Stan, a monkey could get elected in safe labour and conservative seats.

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Whether PR is the answer I don't know it needs looking at along with a lot of things. Personally I think one of the big issues is we no longer have conviction politicans they are career politicans they go straight from university to one of the political parties with no life experience. Most people would be shocked how naive and stupid are some of our politicans who wield extreme power and would be unemployable in any other walk of life. The reason most of them like the EU is it's a source of employment for them and a very very lucrative one at that.


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That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Whether PR is the answer I don't know it needs looking at along with a lot of things. Personally I think one of the big issues is we no longer have conviction politicans they are career politicans they go straight from university to one of the political parties with no life experience. Most people would be shocked how naive and stupid are some of our politicans who wield extreme power and would be unemployable in any other walk of life. The reason most of them like the EU is it's a source of employment for them and a very very lucrative one at that.


I would agree that for most a career in politics is just that and it is no longer a calling. Just last week we witnessed Ian Paisley admit in parliament that he had accepted free luxury family holidays in Sri Lanka. In return Ian wrote to David Cameron to lobby against supporting a UN resolution on Human Rights abuses in Sri Lanka. Despite the fact that he was caught red handed and given an unprecedented ban Paisley still hasn't resigned. Arrogance on this scale is breathtaking, but of course Ian is by no means an exception.

If PR achieved nothing else it may end the status quo, which clearly isn't serving the electorate well. I may not agree with you on Brexit Stan, but I understand entirely your frustration at your parliament ignoring the democratic voice of the people who put them there in the first place.

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At the end of the day shaggy whatever your view on an individual issue if you have bad politics ultimately we all lose. Remainers may be happy now about politicans not respecting brexit but in a year or two it might be something else, something dear to them. Imagine winning the vote for a United ireland then the politicians saying but what does a United ireland mean ? Did the people understand what they were voting for. Yes Ireland will be United but by the way some laws will be under British control. Maybe we need another vote etc etc etc I would like to say I am shocked about Paisley but I am not there are plenty like him. I am seriously starting to despise politicians which is not healthy


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It's never too late Stan.. Vote Corbyn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cg_guXQegQ


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