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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Maybe the public should have their say on the deal? I’m not for another in or out referendum but if our shitte stick politicians can’t come together for the good of the country then maybe it should be left to us? Then they can all to a man/woman fukk off and get some people in who actually want to work for us and not themselves.


What TM,s deal or no deal ? We would have to delay article 50 for up to a year to put in place the legal mechanism for such a vote. A major court case today decided Britain cannot unilaterally reverse article 50 so we would need every EU state to unanimously agree to it. I very much doubt they would. I also don't believe that's the sort of technical thing that cannot be voted on by the public. Remain Politicians would also demand the option of remain was on the ballot paper. It would be complete and utter chaos and won't happen as the EU would never agree to it and I would not blame them


Yep, the EU has already said that they can only revoke article 50 for a no Brexit.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Maybe the public should have their say on the deal? I’m not for another in or out referendum but if our shitte stick politicians can’t come together for the good of the country then maybe it should be left to us? Then they can all to a man/woman fukk off and get some people in who actually want to work for us and not themselves.


What TM,s deal or no deal ? We would have to delay article 50 for up to a year to put in place the legal mechanism for such a vote. A major court case today decided Britain cannot unilaterally reverse article 50 so we would need every EU state to unanimously agree to it. I very much doubt they would. I also don't believe that's the sort of technical thing that cannot be voted on by the public. Remain Politicians would also demand the option of remain was on the ballot paper. It would be complete and utter chaos and won't happen as the EU would never agree to it and I would not blame them


Terms would be to accept this deal or not which seems to be the position we’re in. I know it would take time to put in place but as our elected politicians seem incapable of doing anything but looking after their own interests to a man and woman, why should we not decide? As I see it now, the only reason this deal won’t get done or is not good enough is political, for people to gain an advantage. That isn’t good for the country and for me isn’t politicians doing their job.

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It would take at least a year (It would probably take a year for our politicians to agree what the questions were) and the EU would not allow us to extend article 50 for that reasons. Its a point to make I suppose but an entirely theoretical one cos its not going to happen.


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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Maybe the public should have their say on the deal? I’m not for another in or out referendum but if our shitte stick politicians can’t come together for the good of the country then maybe it should be left to us? Then they can all to a man/woman fukk off and get some people in who actually want to work for us and not themselves.


What TM,s deal or no deal ? We would have to delay article 50 for up to a year to put in place the legal mechanism for such a vote. A major court case today decided Britain cannot unilaterally reverse article 50 so we would need every EU state to unanimously agree to it. I very much doubt they would. I also don't believe that's the sort of technical thing that cannot be voted on by the public. Remain Politicians would also demand the option of remain was on the ballot paper. It would be complete and utter chaos and won't happen as the EU would never agree to it and I would not blame them


Terms would be to accept this deal or not which seems to be the position we’re in. I know it would take time to put in place but as our elected politicians seem incapable of doing anything but looking after their own interests to a man and woman, why should we not decide? As I see it now, the only reason this deal won’t get done or is not good enough is political, for people to gain an advantage. That isn’t good for the country and for me isn’t politicians doing their job.


May touring the country when the public doesn't have a vote, what is she trying to do? Can the public really put pressure on their MPs to vote the deal, and how would the MPs know what the majority of their voters want? Now 90 Tory MPs are against the deal so it will not go through.

I rather think May is planning a people's vote, question is will she get a majority in the commons to organise if no Brexit is not a choice? Probably a 2 rounds vote with 3 choices, her deal, no deal and no Brexit. That can be organised before the 29th of March, why not? When politicians cannot decide/agree then the only option is to go back to the people I would think. Your GBP keeps gping down in the mean time, and this time the FTSE as well apparently, double whammy for stock holders.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It would take at least a year (It would probably take a year for our politicians to agree what the questions were) and the EU would not allow us to extend article 50 for that reasons. Its a point to make I suppose but an entirely theoretical one cos its not going to happen.


Easy, 1. Do you want May's deal
2. Do you want no deal
3. Do you want no Brexit
2 rounds if there is no absolute majority after 1st round. However, you'll have no time to plan for a no deal, anyway, already too late. Get ready

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It would take at least a year (It would probably take a year for our politicians to agree what the questions were) and the EU would not allow us to extend article 50 for that reasons. Its a point to make I suppose but an entirely theoretical one cos its not going to happen.


Easy, 1. Do you want May's deal
2. Do you want no deal
3. Do you want no Brexit
2 rounds if there is no absolute majority after 1st round. However, you'll have no time to plan for a no deal, anyway, already too late. Get ready


Two points that could result in 34% majority for 3 and 66% spilt over the other two. The majority want to leave the EU but we stay in because a minority voted for it. The remoaners would love that. Also that might be your opinion but what about the 45 million british voters and 630 MP's who all might have x number of opinions what the vote should be. It would take us years to decide what the questions are. Its not going to happen and if it does we will still be talking about brexit in 10 years time


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It would take at least a year (It would probably take a year for our politicians to agree what the questions were) and the EU would not allow us to extend article 50 for that reasons. Its a point to make I suppose but an entirely theoretical one cos its not going to happen.


Easy, 1. Do you want May's deal
2. Do you want no deal
3. Do you want no Brexit
2 rounds if there is no absolute majority after 1st round. However, you'll have no time to plan for a no deal, anyway, already too late. Get ready


Two points that could result in 34% majority for 3 and 66% spilt over the other two. The majority want to leave the EU but we stay in because a minority voted for it. The remoaners would love that. Also that might be your opinion but what about the 45 million british voters and 630 MP's who all might have x number of opinions what the vote should be. It would take us years to decide what the questions are. Its not going to happen and if it does we will still be talking about brexit in 10 years time


It can never be exactly 33% as it's not about closest decimal places on percentage but number of votes, are you saying there will be an exact number of votes?

Also, this is why I said a second round if there is no ABSOLUTE majority (above 50%) after first round. This is how most presidential elections work.

The choices are very clear, I don't know why it would be so complicated and will take years. You only have 3 choices on the table.

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Maybe the public should have their say on the deal? I’m not for another in or out referendum but if our shitte stick politicians can’t come together for the good of the country then maybe it should be left to us? Then they can all to a man/woman fukk off and get some people in who actually want to work for us and not themselves.


What TM,s deal or no deal ? We would have to delay article 50 for up to a year to put in place the legal mechanism for such a vote. A major court case today decided Britain cannot unilaterally reverse article 50 so we would need every EU state to unanimously agree to it. I very much doubt they would. I also don't believe that's the sort of technical thing that cannot be voted on by the public. Remain Politicians would also demand the option of remain was on the ballot paper. It would be complete and utter chaos and won't happen as the EU would never agree to it and I would not blame them


Terms would be to accept this deal or not which seems to be the position we’re in. I know it would take time to put in place but as our elected politicians seem incapable of doing anything but looking after their own interests to a man and woman, why should we not decide? As I see it now, the only reason this deal won’t get done or is not good enough is political, for people to gain an advantage. That isn’t good for the country and for me isn’t politicians doing their job.


May touring the country when the public doesn't have a vote, what is she trying to do? Can the public really put pressure on their MPs to vote the deal, and how would the MPs know what the majority of their voters want? Now 90 Tory MPs are against the deal so it will not go through.

I rather think May is planning a people's vote, question is will she get a majority in the commons to organise if no Brexit is not a choice? Probably a 2 rounds vote with 3 choices, her deal, no deal and no Brexit. That can be organised before the 29th of March, why not? When politicians cannot decide/agree then the only option is to go back to the people I would think. Your GBP keeps gping down in the mean time, and this time the FTSE as well apparently, double whammy for stock holders.


I’m not sure what she’s touring for. Maybe as you said to try and get constituency’s on side to force their MP’s to vote it through.

And if there was another vote staying in the EU shouldn’t be an option. We voted to leave for better or worse and that’s what we should do. It’s fraught with danger trying to stop this now for me.

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Do you think there will be a majority for a people's vote if no Brexit is not included? I heard quite a few MPs saying that this deal is worse than staying in the EU. If politicians cannot decide then there is no option but to go to the people and let them decide, deal, no deal or no Brexit, I think it would be fair to everybody as the choices are very clear now. I understand that Brexiters don't want to let go something they didn't expect would happen (leave vote), but that's not a good reason, is it? They can still vote no deal or deal, in fact, it's only clearer now. This is too important to leave it on a choice nobody understood, very few expected such a withdrawal agreement. Brexiters always said the EU will come running to offer a trade deal

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Vish it's not me you have to pursuade write to the British government with your ideas it's they who decide on referendums not me. Oh and I would copy in the electoral commission too. While you are at it contact the army and police force to deal with the civil unrest that's possibility if a national vote is overturned it's never happened before in our history. One other possibility is there is going to be a brexit march in 9th December in London why not get a flight and stand on a box with a loudhailer and tell them your ideas.

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