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Are you saying that the footage of Ian Rush and Roberto Carlos choosing teams is fake?
It sure looked like them.

Perhaps its best to look these up first instead of jumping to conclusions.

This is old news- where have you been?

My first thoughts were that a few people were clutching at straws over his poor performance that cost us the game.

From Karius point of view it makes an excellent excuse. For the board it makes an excuse not to sign a new keeper or to allow him to leave gracefully whilst more importantly getting some sort of decent fee for him rather than him being "sold as seen" or worse "sold as last seen" as it were.
For those fans wishing to choose an excuse when debating with their work colleagues it comes under the category of "We wuz robbed."

Now having seen the incident which I admit to missing when I was watching in the pub I think the story has some legs

Looking at the clip it is clear that an elbow is thrown with intent to connect with Karius. He does this extremely well and this along with the assault on Salah makes you understand how he has 23 red cards in his career. How many more cards has he gotten away with? Several times he feigned injury after winning free kicks when it was clear he had not been touched. He even got Mane booked so all in all he had a pretty decent night without seeing even a yellow himself.

Ramos is a very talented cheat. There are no two ways about it. Like others I hope someone breaks his leg. Actually lets hope he does it to himself by misjudging a dive of his own and does himself serious mischief.

But even after seeing the evidence it is not a huge knock out blow although the timing looks perfect. So for me I can't see how this one incident has affected him for the rest of the game or subsequently. Then again I am not a doctor.

He has had the benefit of VVD playing in front of him and although another thread on here suggested Mignolet could come back and benefit in the same way as Karius we have to remember that he made a similar error v Arsenal when Xhaka scored.

No doubt compelling evidence will be sought by the club as they look to find a way out as at the moment he can't be played, he can't be sold and he can't be kept.

Perhaps a loan out to Rangers or another PL club may be the order of the day so he can be watched, reassessed and for the player himself to get some sort of confidence back without costing us points or a cup exit somewhere along the line nex season.

Nothing about Karius can be proved in the CL final apart from the second goal.

If you watch it many times from all angles,it is clear to me that he had the shot covered.No it wouldnt have been too high.
Before reaching the ball he turns away in mid air.Its far from obvious but its noticeable.
Sadly it would have been a spectacular save.

The thing is he didn't see it coming, so he could not protect himself or prepare better for the impact, Rsmos was moving at speed, so a glancing contact would affect you.

I'm guessing he was spoken to by the physio/doctor, it doesn't appear he was knocked out, as that needs a doctor to clear a player, usually any blackout and the player is taken off.

Where Karius went wrong is jumping back up so fast, he should have kept down and got the doctor on to check him out and get the refs attention to what had happened, I guess this is why VAR is being brought in....

There are a lot of incidents in sports that players/boxers had concussion but they didnt really realise themselves and continue to play.

When I was playing in my school team, I used to have a teammate got hurt for his head after a collision with the opponents' striker. After the collision he stood up immediately and didnt look like he was injured. Everything looks normal and the same.

However, after the game, he didnt remember anything about the game and he even forgot he had a collision with the opponent.

Concussion is something that the players cant tell themselves and sometimes, even experts may find it hard to discover.

Karius' world class skills are sometimes hard to discover too, in all fairness.

Anyone who has kids will be able to tell you about delayed effects of concussion. My lad had a clash of heads with another lad in a match and got back up and played on. Eight hours later he was throwing up and didn't really know where he was. Luckily having been at his game myself I was aware of the incident and was ready to take action.

It is plausible and gives all parties an opportunity to get out gracefully. I think this opportunity will be taken to protect all involved.

In the meantime I think that there should be more retrospective actions and lengthy bans against players who deliberately set out to injure another player in such a way. Of course this would not be a completely new thing as Suarez was banned after his bite 4 years ago.

I saw the interview with Courtois today, and he summed it up perfectly:

Why are we blaming Karius' mistakes on a concussion when he made a few match saving saves after the incident?

How could he be both good (despite the concussion) and bad (due to the concussion) after the collission with Ramos?

To me it seems to be the regular Karius who turned up that night. A keeper with bad nerves that happened to suddenly play in a CL final. The rest is history!

Watching the vid it don’t seem to be very heavy ! more of a glancing blow ?

Thankyou for making that point.Certainly clears up the mystery of the alleged concussion.
I think he could have saved the 2nd goal.Upon careful scrutiny he stops his dive as he is on cue to save it.
As the match started I was concerned about Karius,but he settled down really well.
I think that Real were going to win their 3rd CL in a row and the powers that be made sure it happened.