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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
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And what's your solution ? refuse to sell them European consortium jets cut off diplomatic relations? Make an enemy of Saudi with the millions of Muslims in the west praying to meca ? Yeah that should calm them down no end


No one is suggesting we make an enemy of them, just that we stop selling them weapons.
Also maybe we could ask them to maybe stop funding the terrorists who are killing civilians on our own streets.


If we stopped selling them weapons (high tech fighter planes) then would they have no weapons ? Or would they buy them from the USA ? Or worse Russia or China ? And what would be the effect on diplomatic relations with Saudi ? If that collapsed all travel would be curtailed to meca and would that not be popular ? What you are saying makes no sense


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Both world wars started in Europe so I don't think we are in any position to lecture Muslims about their conflicts.

Again, do you have evidence to support your claims about Iran wanting to control Bahrain and Iraq.

America and several other nations, including Russia, France and the UK have reached a nuclear agreement with Iran and sanctions have been lifted. Why would these nations negotiate with Iran if they thought that Iran was threatening its neighbours. It makes no sense. Unfortunately Trump and Israel (surprise surprise) are now trying to scupper that agreement.

Meanwhile in Yemen, amnesty international have documented 34 Saudi coalition air strikes that have violated international humanitarian law, resulting in 494 civilian deaths. The coalition has also used cluster bombs provided by the USA and the UK which are banned under international law.

Once again I ask the question.

Why does the UK government continue to sell arms to a nation that supports the very terrorists that are murdering innocent civilians on our streets?

Surely every government is duty bound to protect its citizens from terrorism.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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And what's your solution ? refuse to sell them European consortium jets cut off diplomatic relations? Make an enemy of Saudi with the millions of Muslims in the west praying to meca ? Yeah that should calm them down no end


No one is suggesting we make an enemy of them, just that we stop selling them weapons.
Also maybe we could ask them to maybe stop funding the terrorists who are killing civilians on our own streets.


If we stopped selling them weapons (high tech fighter planes) then would they have no weapons ? Or would they buy them from the USA ? Or worse Russia or China ? And what would be the effect on diplomatic relations with Saudi ? If that collapsed all travel would be curtailed to meca and would that not be popular ? What you are saying makes no sense


Trump has just signed off on a $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia so I think they will survive. What you are saying makes no sense.

Since when did maintaining diplomatic relations with a state that sponsors terrorism take precedence over protecting the lives of citizens.

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Shaggy do you have evidence the Saudi government is supplying weapons and training Muslim terrorists in western countries notice I said Saudi government. Because that's news to me Qatar and Saudi have elements supporting terror (so do we) but not aware it's the government. And if we did stop selling them weapons how would that stop anything surely they would be 50 times worse ? And the logic a war started in Europe so it's ok in the Middle East escapes me


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy do you have evidence the Saudi government is supplying weapons and training Muslim terrorists in western countries notice I said Saudi government. Because that's news to me Qatar and Saudi have elements supporting terror (so do we) but not aware it's the government. And if we did stop selling them weapons how would that stop anything surely they would be 50 times worse ? And the logic a war started in Europe so it's ok in the Middle East escapes me


Why would Theresa May sit on a terror funding report if ir cleared the name of her friends in a Saudi Arabia?

Also, see the following.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-is-saudi-arabia-funding-isis

https://www.newsbud.com/2017/04/30/saudi-arabia-is-the-top-sponsor-of-terrorism-not-iran/


https://www.rt.com/op-edge/376831-trump-saudi-arabia-iran/

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Thanks for the links I do read newspapers watch tv documentaries and possess the internet believe it or not. I glanced at one and it's exactly as Vish and I have told you dozens of times yes there are rouge princes and clerics in Saudi and Qatar particularly who are suspected of fostering terrorism and not surprising is it Saudi is the hub of Islam and where Wahhabism started in the 1930,s. BUT NOT THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT

Please tell me how Britain not selling arms (putting British areospace workers (including some no doubt in Ireland)) out of work for the trade to go to America please tell me step by step how that will stop Muslim terrorism in the U.K. I am all ears

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Thanks for the links I do read newspapers watch tv documentaries and possess the internet believe it or not. I glanced at one and it's exactly as Vish and I have told you dozens of times yes there are rouge princes and clerics in Saudi and Qatar particularly who are suspected of fostering terrorism and not surprising is it Saudi is the hub of Islam and where Wahhabism started in the 1930,s. BUT NOT THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT

Please tell me how Britain not selling arms (putting British areospace workers (including some no doubt in Ireland)) out of work for the trade to go to America please tell me step by step how that will stop Muslim terrorism in the U.K. I am all ears


You asked for proof I gave it to you and you glanced at it! If you had bothered to read it you would have seen that no less a power than the American government has named the Saudi government as supporters of terrorism. You believe what suits your agenda.

Your argument now is that it will cost jobs. But apparently costing lives is fine. Breathtaking hypocrisy as usual. You have no moral compass Stan.

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Please explain to me how making British areaopace workers redundant transferring the jobs to America will stop Muslim terrorism in the U.K. I am anxious to hear. Some of the big plants are in Lancashire near to towns with very high Muslim populations like Blackburn / preston I am sure both Muslim and non Muslim workers alike will be delighted with your proposals in those areas. I would have thought if diplomatic relations with Saudi and Britain were broken (as refusing to trade with them certaintly would) then Muslim attacks would increase dramatically as it might be seen as a snub to the holyland. And you can send as many channel 4 links as you like there is no proof the Saudi government is involved with teorrism directly if there were we would be at war with them. But as you keep being told (but it's not sinking in) the Saudi government (Like most of the Middle East) is very murky with rouge clerics and princes.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Please explain to me how making British areaopace workers redundant transferring the jobs to America will stop Muslim terrorism in the U.K. I am anxious to hear. Some of the big plants are in Lancashire near to towns with very high Muslim populations like Blackburn / preston I am sure both Muslim and non Muslim workers alike will be delighted with your proposals in those areas. I would have thought if diplomatic relations with Saudi and Britain were broken (as refusing to trade with them certaintly would) then Muslim attacks would increase dramatically as it might be seen as a snub to the holyland. And you can send as many channel 4 links as you like there is no proof the Saudi government is involved with teorrism directly if there were we would be at war with them. But as you keep being told (but it's not sinking in) the Saudi government (Like most of the Middle East) is very murky with rouge clerics and princes.


You really are scrapping the barrel now. So the people who are supporting terrorism that is taking place on our own streets will be angry if we stop supplying them with arms and.... maybe attack innocent civilians on our own streets.


By all means ignore the evidence in front of you. Also since when has the British arms industry been solely dependent on their arms contract with Saudi Arabia to keep afloat.

You are an apologist for people who are supporting terrorists who are murdering innocent civilians on your own streets. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Shaggy tell me your plan

Britain stops supplying arms to Saudi Arabia

Tell me the steps that will stop Muslim terrorism in the west as a resul of that


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