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When you look at it, we've had a fairly underwhelming start to the season, going forward we look good and capable of scoring goals, at the back we look weak, but we have improved the squad strength IMO.
The good news is our major rivals have not impressed either, the 2 Manchester clubs do look good, at this moment they look like they will fight it out for the title, but remember last year Man City won their first 10 games and looked unbeatable, while Chelsea were all over the place.
Tottenham, Chelsea & Arsenal have looked vulnerable, so we look like we will still be in the hunt for top 4 again, I don't think any of us truly expected us to win the league, but we have strengthened the squad and improved the quality, if we can get the defence improved through coaching and new signings in January, we are still in the battle.
We still need to back Klopp, he's done some good stuff with the team going forward, but he's stubborn and we're all getting frustrated with the things we are seeing, but this will take time, every transfer window he has improved the squad quality and got rid of the dead wood that won't play in his system, just not as fast as we all hoped.
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@Liverotto
honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them. exactly Klopp should be sacked . hes the reason Migs,Hendo,Lovren,milner,moreno and many other unprofessional players are at Liverpool football club in the first place.
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I agree there are CB better than Lovern and Klavan. However, it is hard to buy someone we are sure they must be better than them. You can go for an alternative but may finally find out they are expensive and the same as Lovern. I think that is what Klopp wanted to tell us in the press conference.
For the squad depth, I had to disagree. We showed that we can be truly competitive in the first half of last season. Was our defence much better in the first half of last season? I dont think so.
It is lack of squad depth made our performance dropped since Dec. If we have better squad depth, we probably could compete with Chelsea till the end, even with our current defenders. That's why I believe sqaud depth is a more important issues to be fixed. We need to play in the Europe this year made the problem become top urgency. I have seen a lot of so called "balanced first team" which is lack of squad depth played [oops] when they found that they lack of the quality to rotate for the league and CL.
For me, adding squad depth is a top priority here. Don't forget, Lallana started the season with an injury and Coutinho also started the season with a "back injury". Don't forget our system rely heavily on wide players during our attacking plays and please check how bad we are when we play last season without Mane. We definitely need to add some more pace to the team and add some depth on the wing. With this scenario, buying Ox seems makes sense to me.
(Lallana's primary position in the team is MC. Even if he is back from injured, I dont think Klopp want him to rotate as a winger as he has better performance when playing MC.)
What depth do we have in central defence? 3 players for 2 positions is the worst we have in any position. In how many games has the Ox really helped so far? I understand you want to find reasons but they don't add up. Ask yourself. Yes we needed another winger but 2 is a luxury. Last but not least, why do you think the 3 best defending teams spend money to buy another central defender? If you included Gomes, there are 4 players in CB (With Emre Can can play that position as well, actually it is 5). I think CB is not the position that rotate a lot (as they normally dont need to run a lot and get as tired as players of other position). Even, Rafa didnt do a lot of rotation in CB. I will admit if VVD comes, the situation would be perfect though. (Making Lovern to be a back up CB and Klavan as a 4th option CB.) For Ox, I think it is still early in the season right? I think Klopp's approach is that he would not rush any players into the team until they train and get used to his system. Ox missed the pre-season with us and that's why he is still on the bench. However, this year we have a lot of games and tight schedule, we definitely need 4 wingers to handle it (expecially some of our players are quite injured prone). Klopp seldoms fails in his expensive buying and I still trust him for getting Ox to here. Btw, heard that OX will start tonight though.
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@Liverotto
honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them. exactly Klopp should be sacked . hes the reason Migs,Hendo,Lovren,milner,moreno and many other unprofessional players are at Liverpool football club in the first place. I dont think any of the names you mentioned above is recruited by Klopp. When I look back to the teamsheet when Klopp first arrived, I remember the team is unbalanced and with quite a lot of expensive flops. It makes no sense and impossible to replace them all out at once, expecially we dont have the transfer funds. What Klopp is trying to do is that he tried to improve the sqaud he had by training. A few players response very well like Lallana and Firmino. For those he could not, he replaced them with better players. The upgrade needs time though. The fact that he is so desparate to get VVD to our team show us that he can identify the problem in our defence. He wants an upgrade. Let's see what will happen in Jan.
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@Liverotto
honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them. exactly Klopp should be sacked . hes the reason Migs,Hendo,Lovren,milner,moreno and many other unprofessional players are at Liverpool football club in the first place. I dont think any of the names you mentioned above is recruited by Klopp. When I look back to the teamsheet when Klopp first arrived, I remember the team is unbalanced and with quite a lot of expensive flops. It makes no sense and impossible to replace them all out at once, expecially we dont have the transfer funds. What Klopp is trying to do is that he tried to improve the sqaud he had by training. A few players response very well like Lallana and Firmino. For those he could not, he replaced them with better players. The upgrade needs time though. The fact that he is so desparate to get VVD to our team show us that he can identify the problem in our defence. He wants an upgrade. Let's see what will happen in Jan. Even if we do buy VVD, what will happen when he gets injured as he is the only player in the WORLD who can improve our defence?
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@Liverotto
honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them. exactly Klopp should be sacked . hes the reason Migs,Hendo,Lovren,milner,moreno and many other unprofessional players are at Liverpool football club in the first place. he's a reason(other being FSG) that 1)these guys are still here, and 2) no one better is here yet. Keeping lovren, moreno etc was his decision. Regardless, organising a team and instilling confidence is a manager's job and Klopp has to answer for that
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@Liverotto
honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them. exactly Klopp should be sacked . hes the reason Migs,Hendo,Lovren,milner,moreno and many other unprofessional players are at Liverpool football club in the first place. I dont think any of the names you mentioned above is recruited by Klopp. When I look back to the teamsheet when Klopp first arrived, I remember the team is unbalanced and with quite a lot of expensive flops. It makes no sense and impossible to replace them all out at once, expecially we dont have the transfer funds. What Klopp is trying to do is that he tried to improve the sqaud he had by training. A few players response very well like Lallana and Firmino. For those he could not, he replaced them with better players. The upgrade needs time though. The fact that he is so desparate to get VVD to our team show us that he can identify the problem in our defence. He wants an upgrade. Let's see what will happen in Jan. Even if we do buy VVD, what will happen when he gets injured as he is the only player in the WORLD who can improve our defence? The problem is not no one player can improve our defence. It is more like Klopp want to make sure the players he brought in that can improve our defence, expecially the price tags of players are high this summer. He is confidence on the quality of VVD and he is not too confident with other CB, that is how it is.
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@Liverotto
honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them. exactly Klopp should be sacked . hes the reason Migs,Hendo,Lovren,milner,moreno and many other unprofessional players are at Liverpool football club in the first place. he's a reason(other being FSG) that 1)these guys are still here, and 2) no one better is here yet. Keeping lovren, moreno etc was his decision. Regardless, organising a team and instilling confidence is a manager's job and Klopp has to answer for that This is not playing FIFA, mate. Replacing players are not that easy and you need to do it steps by steps and you also need to make sure if players are shipped out, you still have enough funds to bring in upgraded replacements.
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@Liverotto
honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them. exactly Klopp should be sacked . hes the reason Migs,Hendo,Lovren,milner,moreno and many other unprofessional players are at Liverpool football club in the first place. I dont think any of the names you mentioned above is recruited by Klopp. When I look back to the teamsheet when Klopp first arrived, I remember the team is unbalanced and with quite a lot of expensive flops. It makes no sense and impossible to replace them all out at once, expecially we dont have the transfer funds.
What Klopp is trying to do is that he tried to improve the sqaud he had by training. A few players response very well like Lallana and Firmino. For those he could not, he replaced them with better players. The upgrade needs time though. The fact that he is so desparate to get VVD to our team show us that he can identify the problem in our defence. He wants an upgrade. Let's see what will happen in Jan. Will you please stop spouting this $h1te. Honestly, we have the money but we also have tight @rsed owners. #FSGOUT #34MIL2SEASONS
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When do we think Klopp will start to instruct our players how to defend at set pieces?
Surely it is not only VVD of all people in the world who is capable of that too?
Working with the players you have is what is most important for a manager. Why is Klopp not doing just that when it comes to our defensive problems?
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