KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Klopp: In or Out?

I dont think Klopp didnt realise there is problem in our defence.

Have he ignored it? No, he tried to sort it out by signing VVD but he just failed.

There are a lot of areas that we need to be strengthened this summer. Peopele said we are doing okay offensively but all of them ignore two facts:-

1/ we are lack of squad depth (Klopp fixed it by bringing in Salah, Ox & Robertson. Milner can move back to Midfield now. Look at our squad, we have a much thicker squad now)
2/ We dont have clue when facing teams that parking bus against us. We signed Solanke who is a tall striker that good at header. He can definiely be a force when facing small team that park bus against us.

Defence is just one of the problems we need to be sorted out. But if you look at the way that Klopp works, you know that he wont rush to do business and try to fix everything now. (TBH, I dont think we can as it is hard to fix all the problems we had. We are way too behind from the top in the recent years.)

Klopp believes it is a project that is on-going in Liverpool. That's why he signed Keita next year. However, we dont have unlimited transfer fund to spend like Citeh and Scum. He must spend carefully and wisely.

He isnt blind and he knows there are problems with our centre back. He will fix it but you cannot expect him to fix everythings in just three transfer windows.

Everyone said Michael Keane and Davinson Sanchez are good in the summer and said we should go for them. Look, they are in EPL now and they proved that they are quite average (Tbh, I would say awful). Spending a lot to go for average players may actually ruin our project.

Without getting the players he wanted, Klopp can only lift the morale of the current centre back. Everyone is blaming to our defence now which put a lot pressure to Lovern and Klavan. To be honest, they are not world class defenders, but they are actually not that bad (at least would not be as bad as the performance showing in this season). Klopp is now protecting his players from critisim and tried to relieve their pressure. Once pressure is gone, their performance will greatly improved.


I would choose to shut up and believe in Klopp and see what we could get in January or next summer.

Without getting the players he wanted, Klopp can only lift the morale of the current centre back. Everyone is blaming to our defence now which put a lot pressure to Lovern and Klavan. To be honest, they are not world class defenders, but they are actually not that bad (at least would not be as bad as the performance showing in this season). Klopp is now protecting his players from critisim and tried to relieve their pressure. Once pressure is gone, their performance will greatly improved.

So he decided to sort out all our problems except the priority, is this what you are saying? What was the need to buy Ox? Davidson Sanchez is doing a very decent job IMO, better than Klavan and Lovren. He had 4 windows not 3 but used only 2 of them.

@Liverotto

Allardyce, Benitez, Mourinho, all fix their defences in weeks. They didn't require years to organise a defence. We choose to believe in Klopp right now because he deserves this season at least, but there is no way we are going to keep quiet after seeing 3 dismal back to back performances (city,sevilla, burnley), and honestly if the players can't handle pressure then they need to examine their choice to become a professional footballer. The best teams all thrive under pressure when the odds are against them.

I dont think Klopp didnt realise there is problem in our defence.

Have he ignored it? No, he tried to sort it out by signing VVD but he just failed.

.......... we dont have unlimited transfer fund to spend like Citeh and Scum. He must spend carefully and wisely.

So VVD is the only centre back on the planet better than what we've got?!?! Sorry, but this is shambles. If you lose out on your top target you get your next target instead. You don't just shrug your shoulders and hope that Lovren and Klavan will suddenly become top class!

VVD is not the only centre back better than Lovern and Klavan, of course.

The problem is that VVD was our top target in the summer but we missed it. I believe no one in the club thought we would miss out this target. As we are willing to pay about 40M to Soton and Klopp talked to the player and he is sure the player want to join us. I believe our top management also told Klopp they are confident to get VVD. That's why, Klopp didnt prepare an alternative plan for this.

No one can actually know that the price tag will become crazy in summer and Soton will ask for 70M for a centre back. That is what it is.

Another problem is the price tag for the alternatives we are talking about. Davidson Sanchez/ Michael Keane etc. all have a price tag of around 30M. It is crazy to be honest. You wont spend that lots of money if you are not sure if they are really an upgrade for Lovern. We need to spend wisely. We actually cannot afford to buy an expensive flop.

Yes, I agree that we could go for Howedes who looks cheap and available. However, he is not very good in the air and may not be a solution to us. Plus, I doubt he may have some issues or discipline problems as Schalke suddenly took his captain armband and looked so desperate to ship him out.

What you are trying to say is that non of the CBs that moved this summer were as good as Lovren and Klavan which I disagree completely. I would also add that 3 of the best defensive teams bought CBs but not us who had the worse defensive records in the top 6 teams at least. There is no logic there. On top of that we already have 2 wingers more than required, ie, Coutinho and Laĺlana. Any manager should try to have a balanced first team first before looking at depth and we haven't been balanced for a long time.

I agree there are CB better than Lovern and Klavan. However, it is hard to buy someone we are sure they must be better than them. You can go for an alternative but may finally find out they are expensive and the same as Lovern. I think that is what Klopp wanted to tell us in the press conference.


For the squad depth, I had to disagree. We showed that we can be truly competitive in the first half of last season. Was our defence much better in the first half of last season? I dont think so.
It is lack of squad depth made our performance dropped since Dec. If we have better squad depth, we probably could compete with Chelsea till the end, even with our current defenders. That's why I believe sqaud depth is a more important issues to be fixed. We need to play in the Europe this year made the problem become top urgency. I have seen a lot of so called "balanced first team" which is lack of squad depth played [oops] when they found that they lack of the quality to rotate for the league and CL.

For me, adding squad depth is a top priority here. Don't forget, Lallana started the season with an injury and Coutinho also started the season with a "back injury". Don't forget our system rely heavily on wide players during our attacking plays and please check how bad we are when we play last season without Mane. We definitely need to add some more pace to the team and add some depth on the wing. With this scenario, buying Ox seems makes sense to me.
(Lallana's primary position in the team is MC. Even if he is back from injured, I dont think Klopp want him to rotate as a winger as he has better performance when playing MC.)