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War is good for business Shags no matter what the consequences may hold for future generations that solves the puzzle. it is not taught in schools so Stan doesnt understand this all.
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[quote=Stanley Park]We did not invade Afghanistan because of the airliners it was obvious the world faced a threat of Muslim terrorist attacks possible armed with weapons of mass destruction and could (probably would gave destabilised Pakistan (a nuclear state) we would have had to be lunatics to ignore that. Iraq 2003 a screw up especially post invasion. Doing nothing about Syria probably created the bloodbath it became. Yes sometimes doing nothing is the right option but sometimes you have to take action however if we not allowed to protect ourselves against Muslim nations for fear of inflaming our Muslim population in the west we have a major problem Name one Muslim nation that has invaded a western state recently I can't name one but I have no trouble thinking of Islamic violence both in western cities and overseas that needs military help. The streets of Paris are full of troops even Manchester has police with machine guns wandering around the railway stations. This is a different kind of war to the First World War where troops lined up wearing uniforms [/quote Of course you can't name one. This violence you talk about is being funded by Saudi Arabia. Yet you maintain that Britain should continue selling arms to Saudi Arabia, a state that sponsors the very terrorism that is killing innocent civilians in Europe. As I have said before the hypocrisy is breathtaking.
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I will give you an example the British are commissioning two big aircraft carriers with the new F35 stealth fighter bomber. These are designed for fast interventions for the type of war we are likely to face in the future e,g in trouble spots. How exactly will that stop a lunatic in a van on a busy Main Street.
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Yeah and the people making the money count on the ignorance of the general public.
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London's conservative International Institute for Strategic Studies concluded in 2004 that the occupation of Iraq had become "a potent global recruitment pretext" for jihadists and that the invasion "galvanised" al-Qaeda and "perversely inspired insurgent violence" there.[27] The U.S. National Intelligence Council concluded in a January 2005 report that the war in Iraq had become a breeding ground for a new generation of terrorists; David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, indicated that the report concluded that the war in Iraq provided terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills... There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries." The Council's Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, "At the moment, Iraq is a magnet for international terrorist activity."[28] And the 2006 National Intelligence Estimate, which outlined the considered judgment of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, held that "The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." Again why then are the perpetrators not Iraqi ? Why are disgruntled Iraqi citizens not on our streets murdering us ? Why are the people doing it British ? It's fine cutting and pasting something you have googled but what you are saying makes no sense against what is happening. And was not Afghanistan a training ground for jihadists pre 2001 ? what makes u think they are not iraqi or not somehow linked to Iraq? is it just Iraq that u guys have bombed? i have lived and worked in middle east for 10 years almost,so im sure i know the place n people more than you. they are arabs in general.Many originally iraqis are now jordanians.palestinians now jordanians and lebanese n what not. u cant just use that argument. some big asss land,big tribes , now being divided into small countries and territories. thats called divide and rule. and right or wrong , they have one common enemy *the west* . those who bombed iraq,afghanistan, libya,syria.... however the moment u understand its about money , vested interests and nothing to do with religion, u will stfu if it was not so called terrorism or something, even u dumb supremacists may stand up and question ur premiers that why is our tax money being blown away on bombing these countries.they have instilled fear in u and perfectly used the religion card. now they just get some place bombed close to u and use the media very well to tell u that u n ur kids are not safe so we need to bomb this country thousands of miles away. dont tell me what your answer to that would be.
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I will give you an example the British are commissioning two big aircraft carriers with the new F35 stealth fighter bomber. These are designed for fast interventions for the type of war we are likely to face in the future e,g in trouble spots. How exactly will that stop a lunatic in a van on a busy Main Street. It won't, it will increase the probability of such attacks. And they don't care that it does. This is the money war now. Our only hope is that we elect the likes of Corbyn and Sanders, people that will reverse our making money military interventions.
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It won't stop a lunatic on our streets nor is it meant to they are meant for fast interventions overseas in trouble spots. However the military does get involved for example if you fly over sellafield without authorisation you might soon find you have an RAF typhoon for company. The war against Islamic terror is the challenge of our age and fought on many fronts
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It won't stop a lunatic on our streets nor is it meant to they are meant for fast interventions overseas in trouble spots. However the military does get involved for example if you fly over sellafield without authorisation you might soon find you have an RAF typhoon for company. The war against Islamic terror is the challenge of our age and fought on many fronts I don't think transit vans can fly!
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It won't stop a lunatic on our streets nor is it meant to they are meant for fast interventions overseas in trouble spots. However the military does get involved for example if you fly over sellafield without authorisation you might soon find you have an RAF typhoon for company. The war against Islamic terror is the challenge of our age and fought on many fronts I don't think transit vans can fly! I think you are right but light planes can. Believe or not I know of an idiot that accidentally did just that in a microlite then he found a fully armed RAF tornado up his arse. You know you are having a bad day when that happens
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London's conservative International Institute for Strategic Studies concluded in 2004 that the occupation of Iraq had become "a potent global recruitment pretext" for jihadists and that the invasion "galvanised" al-Qaeda and "perversely inspired insurgent violence" there.[27] The U.S. National Intelligence Council concluded in a January 2005 report that the war in Iraq had become a breeding ground for a new generation of terrorists; David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, indicated that the report concluded that the war in Iraq provided terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills... There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries." The Council's Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, "At the moment, Iraq is a magnet for international terrorist activity."[28] And the 2006 National Intelligence Estimate, which outlined the considered judgment of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, held that "The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." Again why then are the perpetrators not Iraqi ? Why are disgruntled Iraqi citizens not on our streets murdering us ? Why are the people doing it British ? It's fine cutting and pasting something you have googled but what you are saying makes no sense against what is happening. And was not Afghanistan a training ground for jihadists pre 2001 ? of course I would not expect u do find sense in what experts say(climate change denier that u are) but let the word global bounce around ur head for a bit. Or just add some basic simplistic math logic like say how many attacks pre and post middle east intervention in the uk?
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