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Originally Posted By van Gogh
It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks.

We have American owners with a business model in place that they are proud of. We are being run self sufficiently which means the books will always be in balance. Needs for more players signed? Nope!

The only hope we have of more players being brought in is selling more players or that we get fantastic money for Coutinho, Salah or Mané.

Another problem is our lack of capabilities to get deals wrapped up. I simply can´t see us having time enough in the summer (never mind January) to get multiple big deals done.

If we sell Coutinho to Barca then that doesn't mean we will replace him in the same window. Look at what happened when we sold Suarez. Still not replaced after 3 years!


I think how the FSG acts in the transfer windows is actually why Klopp has such a conservative approach in transfer windows. In Scum/Citeh or even Spurs, you just simply replaced expensive flops with another purchase. In Liverpool, every penny counts. Once the money is used for the wrong player, you need to raise your budget by selling players. Therefore, we cant afford for expensive flops.

I agree 100% with another issue you raised about our transfer team for their inabilities to wrap up transfer deals. I dont know why but our transfer team seems need a lot of time to negotiate and reach a final agreements with club. I am not talking those deals that hard to conclude like Keita or VVD. For example, Salah. We all knew that he has his heart to play for us and Roma is willing to sell. However, how many days did we take to finalise the deal and get it done?
It is always a frustration to see how long it takes for us to wrap up a deal. Even Robertson took long for us to conclude the deal.
And our transfer team look like they cant act to negotiate for more than one player at the same time. They normally negotiate our targets one by one and it is frustrating.
I dont know what is going on behind the scene and who is responsible for this issue but I know Klopp has mentioned a lot of time that he wants all the deals get done before the pre-season starts. I dont see other teams having this issues.

Next summer transfer windows will close earlier and I sometimes doubt if we can really negotiate with the clubs on time.

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Originally Posted By sixtiesred
No and I hope there isn't a clause you seem to think I don't want naby I do
As our MF is crap and the fact I posted this shows I'm not one eyed about it sorry for the pun
I said if it was me and I was doing a deal into the future 12 mths I would of added some protection for me (clause) because to me it's common sense ! Is that so way out weird you have to bombast me on it !
what if we were relegated he would still have to come and play championship ?
And I'm not saying we will be before you all swarm it's just an example


And I'm saying it also makes perfect sense for the clubs to protect themselves too. Us in that I think we've already paid some money up front and given him a medical and announced it's all happening.

RBL will be getting a premium so will want to protect that too as if we or he pulls out, they will have to sell for the release clause of £48m and could lose out on £20m or whatever premium we've paid to secure him now.

This is all about balance. It makes sense for all parties to be protected in some way with this deal yet you solely focus on the fact that he or we will want to get out of it in some way. I don't care what any of you say about FSG but if they try and weasel their way out of this deal it'll bring so much bad press, the sort they don't like, that they wouldn't survive it IMO. Naby himself has only ever talked about playing for us since the deal with no mention of what competitions we're playing in etc.

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Originally Posted By sixtiesred
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By sixtiesred
No and I hope there isn't a clause you seem to think I don't want naby I do
As our MF is crap and the fact I posted this shows I'm not one eyed about it sorry for the pun
I said if it was me and I was doing a deal into the future 12 mths I would of added some protection for me (clause) because to me it's common sense ! Is that so way out weird you have to bombast me on it !
what if we were relegated he would still have to come and play championship ?
And I'm not saying we will be before you all swarm it's just an example


And I'm saying it also makes perfect sense for the clubs to protect themselves too. Us in that I think we've already paid some money up front and given him a medical and announced it's all happening.

RBL will be getting a premium so will want to protect that too as if we or he pulls out, they will have to sell for the release clause of £48m and could lose out on £20m or whatever premium we've paid to secure him now.

This is all about balance. It makes sense for all parties to be protected in some way with this deal yet you solely focus on the fact that he or we will want to get out of it in some way. I don't care what any of you say about FSG but if they try and weasel their way out of this deal it'll bring so much bad press, the sort they don't like, that they wouldn't survive it IMO. Naby himself has only ever talked about playing for us since the deal with no mention of what competitions we're playing in etc.


As I have said fsg paying $70 with no cl money will be amazing in itself add to that Klopp wants vvd that's 130 minimum in a no cl money window we might sell phil but we will need most of that if not all on a replacement I just can't see fsg forking out like that hope I'm wrong but history says I'm on the right side of this equation


There's never been more money in the game so Champions league money won't come into it.

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Originally Posted By sixtiesred
So how in your scenario there is naby protecting himself ?


I have no idea. I have no idea if the clubs are. No one knows exactly what the deal is and what will happen. It would make sense that all parties involved have protected their interests in this deal in some way not just Keita.

Maybe he just wants to play for us and work with Klopp as there has been no mention of champions league football coming from him?

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Originally Posted By sixtiesred
From th BBC gossip col

Barcelona believe they can sign 25-year-old Liverpool and Brazil midfielder Philippe Coutinho for £132m in the January transfer window with a down payment of £75m. (Sunday Express)

Liverpool's board have told manager Jurgen Klopp he will be allowed to re-invest the entire fee from the sale of Coutinho. (Sunday Mirror)

Why would he not be able to reinvest the the whole fee ? Seems fsg are in charge of purse strings

Strange comment from the owners, if it is true. Wasnt it touted last May that the club was ready then, to spend "big" on transfers? Was that a porky-pie?

And weren't Barca willing to pay 175k plus for Cootie in August? my maths are not so good, but why say "no" then say "yes" for far less money? This is another case of "should-a".

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Originally Posted By sixtiesred
From th BBC gossip col

Barcelona believe they can sign 25-year-old Liverpool and Brazil midfielder Philippe Coutinho for £132m in the January transfer window with a down payment of £75m. (Sunday Express)

Liverpool's board have told manager Jurgen Klopp he will be allowed to re-invest the entire fee from the sale of Coutinho. (Sunday Mirror)

Why would he not be able to reinvest the the whole fee ? Seems fsg are in charge of purse strings


All those press articles are called gossip

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Originally Posted By sixtiesred
From th BBC gossip col

Barcelona believe they can sign 25-year-old Liverpool and Brazil midfielder Philippe Coutinho for £132m in the January transfer window with a down payment of £75m. (Sunday Express)

Liverpool's board have told manager Jurgen Klopp he will be allowed to re-invest the entire fee from the sale of Coutinho. (Sunday Mirror)

Why would he not be able to reinvest the the whole fee ? Seems fsg are in charge of purse strings


Well every time we’ve sold a player for big money it’s been reinvested so I’m not sure why it wouldn’t be now? Let’s just hope it’s done well this time unlike the last two.

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Originally Posted By chesterville
Originally Posted By sixtiesred
From th BBC gossip col

Barcelona believe they can sign 25-year-old Liverpool and Brazil midfielder Philippe Coutinho for £132m in the January transfer window with a down payment of £75m. (Sunday Express)

Liverpool's board have told manager Jurgen Klopp he will be allowed to re-invest the entire fee from the sale of Coutinho. (Sunday Mirror)

Why would he not be able to reinvest the the whole fee ? Seems fsg are in charge of purse strings

Strange comment from the owners, if it is true. Wasnt it touted last May that the club was ready then, to spend "big" on transfers? Was that a porky-pie?

And weren't Barca willing to pay 175k plus for Cootie in August? my maths are not so good, but why say "no" then say "yes" for far less money? This is another case of "should-a".


I’m finding it hard to believe that even we’d be stupid enough to not sell in the summer but sell in January? According to Klopp there’s no value in January and to be fair it is harder than the summer to do business.

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Yes if we don't manage to sign players in the summer months then there's not much hope of the January weeks.

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Looks like Javier Mascherano is leaving Barcelona at the end of the season when his contract runs out, I think he'd be great to bring back to Liverpool, excellent player/cover for CB or MF even if we buy a top CB and with Keita coming in, a good leader on the pitch, I think he'd like to come back as well:

http://www.empireofthekop.com/2017/10/30...erpool-step-in/

He's not starting at Barca, might be worth a cheeky bid in January to bring him in? he'd be great to bring in for extra options and experience, I'd have him starting with Matip ahead of Lovren and Klavan, would add some Argentinian steel we have been missing, he was never the fastest, so not like he's lost his pace !!! but his reading of the game and leadership would really help us.




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