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Originally Posted By EMP
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Why do ISIS not attack Isreal ? Very good point ! Why not emp given according to you they are causing all this. If the problem is Isreal and the west (America) then why have ISIS attacked an Ariande grande concert in Manchester with predominately attended by teen and pre teen girls and their mums and dads ? Totally ignoring the huge Manchester army barracks ? I know I will get some [oops] back from emp so I will answer that question and I will answer not from my opinion but that of ISIS in a recent statement. Foreign policy of the west was number 6 in their list of grievances they attacked Manchester because it was a highly sexualised singer attended by improperly dressed females ignoring the teachings of Allah and therefore according to gods will (in their twisted minds) they had to be destroyed. Same with the attacks on the drinking revellers in London the same pattern occurs with all these attacks they are on western values and lifestyles



Because it would get huge international attention. What makes more of an impact and as grand headline than kids and mothers dying. The innocent suffering is gross but we can't hide behind our own (and i obviously don't mean us as the population) contribution to this mess. Its a greed and lust for power that's brought upon us a war against an army of martyrs that we cannot win. Like it or not but Corbyn warned of this years ago.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Why do ISIS not attack Isreal ? Very good point ! Why not emp given according to you they are causing all this. If the problem is Isreal and the west (America) then why have ISIS attacked an Ariande grande concert in Manchester with predominately attended by teen and pre teen girls and their mums and dads ? Totally ignoring the huge Manchester army barracks ? I know I will get some [oops] back from emp so I will answer that question and I will answer not from my opinion but that of ISIS in a recent statement. Foreign policy of the west was number 6 in their list of grievances they attacked Manchester because it was a highly sexualised singer attended by improperly dressed females ignoring the teachings of Allah and therefore according to gods will (in their twisted minds) they had to be destroyed. Same with the attacks on the drinking revellers in London the same pattern occurs with all these attacks they are on western values and lifestyles



Because it would get huge international attention. What makes more of an impact and as grand headline than kids and mothers dying. The innocent suffering is gross but we can't hide behind our own (and i obviously don't mean us as the population) contribution to this mess. Its a greed and lust for power that's brought upon us a war against an army of martyrs that we cannot win. Like it or not but Corbyn warned of this years ago.


Getting attention is part of the reason it's also ideological those girls were rejecting the teachings of Allah this is stated by ISIS. Islam is incompatable with other societies not just in Britain but the world over. Jeremy corbyn is against all war by the west (but not to the west) and thus where there are negatives he can claim the high ground where action does good he can say nothing. Hence he can't lose. But Unfortunetly in the real world you do have to face reality and were he ever PM (as some seem to want) then he would have to face reality and doing nothing can be as dangerous as doing something. The notion we will be safe if the west gives up its defences is only for those who want to destroy the west and some on the British left (including corbyn) want to do that. However long term how they would survive alongside radical Islam would be interesting I know where my money would be

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One Muslim murdered and 10 others injured on the streets of London by some evil lunatic.

The silence on here is deafening.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
One Muslim murdered and 10 others injured on the streets of London by some evil lunatic.

The silence on here is deafening.




Of course I don't condone the senseless attack but we have a massive problem dividing yourself into partisan blocks of grief does not help. Muslim attacks = our fault attacks on Muslims = our fault also of those on the political left. There is a huge problem I don't know the answer or where this will end up. Shaggy I went to an elton John concert in Widnes yesterday (I was ordered to) it was full of middle aged women yet everywhere were police explosive sniffer dogs with their handlers going through the crowd constantly and in the background robocop police with machine guns. I lived through all the years of IRA terrorism on mainland Britain including the warrington bomb. Yet I never saw this level of security or anything approaching it. I was also in Manchester Friday night one of my friends from Manchester had a poor guy in his village that was in the blast. The poor guy is alive but has lost half his body including his face. In the press that would be described as a life changing injury forgotten but if people could see the result of Islamic terrorism they would be horrified which is why I suspect it's low key in the press. Shaggy I believe your inference this evens up the scores is utter disgusting. I have sympathy for all victims of terror but that does not change the very simple fact we have a massive problem in the UK Europe and accross the world.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
One Muslim murdered and 10 others injured on the streets of London by some evil lunatic.

The silence on here is deafening.




Of course I don't condone the senseless attack but we have a massive problem dividing yourself into partisan blocks of grief does not help. Muslim attacks = our fault attacks on Muslims = our fault also of those on the political left. There is a huge problem I don't know the answer or where this will end up. Shaggy I went to an elton John concert in Widnes yesterday (I was ordered to) it was full of middle aged women yet everywhere were police explosive sniffer dogs with their handlers going through the crowd constantly and in the background robocop police with machine guns. I lived through all the years of IRA terrorism on mainland Britain including the warrington bomb. Yet I never saw this level of security or anything approaching it. I was also in Manchester Friday night one of my friends from Manchester had a poor guy in his village that was in the blast. The poor guy is alive but has lost half his body including his face. In the press that would be described as a life changing injury forgotten but if people could see the result of Islamic terrorism they would be horrified which is why I suspect it's low key in the press. Shaggy I believe your inference this evens up the scores is utter disgusting. I have sympathy for all victims of terror but that does not change the very simple fact we have a massive problem in the UK Europe and accross the world.


Stan you somehow managed to turn last nights act of terrorism into an attack on Muslims. I commented on the terror attack last night and the lack of comment on here, I never mentioned evening up the scores. You're inference says more about your twisted mind than I could ever say but that is your problem not mine.

Grief doesn't discriminate regardless of religion, political persuasion or nationality. British Muslims were victims of a terror attack last night. It seems that not all evil psychopaths are Muslim after all.

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It is an interesting question why no isis attacks on israel ..could it be that saudi is isis and saudi and israel are on the same team v the shia. I have no doubt that the headcases in isis would like to attack them but when they are being trained and given logistical and supply and support by saudi military it would prob work against them to attack america's best friend.

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Stan is sadly latched on to blame and fault and generally making things worse. The only question is what can make this cease, and that is quiet obviously the destruction of isis and a complete u-turn in western middle eastern policies ..no more support for the crazies and the crazies will lessen.

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We don't know anything yet about this guy except he is a 47 year old family man from Cardiff and he acted alone. Hardly the terrorist mastermind I don't think ISIS need to be worried just yet. My guess is he is a crank or had a mental breakdown or just flipped. However the left will be on overdrive now equating global Islamic terrorism as on the same scale as a bloke from Cardiff. That said it's very true the injuries are the same and the victims innocent. These are worrying times there is political instability and a danger of huge social issues. Even as something as innocent as an Elton John concert is like a militarised zone all they needed last night was a few challenger tanks and typhoon jets screaming overhead and the scene would be complete.


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maybe he's been reading ur posts.

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