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The government of Saudi Arabia is not promoting extremism but you have a number of groups and clerics there who are. It's not the same thing.

Exactly people get confused over this most of the 911 bombers were Saudi nationals but that does not mean its the Saudi government involved there were also British and German nationals involved too but that does not make Britain and Germany responsible for 911

[quote=Stanley Park]The theory it's all our fault we have good relations and supply arms to Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia are funding and encouraging Muslims around the world does not hold much water for me. Agreed Saudi might be involved in some way and it's record on human rights and women and minorities is pretty much as you would expect. But for me to make enemies of them would surely make the situation far worse. In terms of them causing the whole thing and it being our fault that confuses me. Firstly why would a British Muslim having lived here all their lives for maybe two or three generations take orders from Saudi Arabia ? I just can't understand that bit. Also if the Saudis are funding it they are not doing a great job. Most of the recent attacks have been very crude involving home made bombs, knife attacks and driving lorries and vans into people. [/quot

You do realise you just completely contradicted yourself in your first two sentences.

Your sole objective is to absolve the British government of any wrong doing. Your diismissal of Saudi Arabia's horrific record on human rights, women's rights and lack of democracy is pathetic.

Britain doesn't have to make an enemy of Saudi Arabia it just has to stop selling it arms. But we both know that isn't going to happen. The report that Theresa May is sitting on shows the Saudi Arabia has clear links to UK extremism and is promoting wahabbism in the UK.

Wahaabbism is generally recognised as the main source of global terrorism and it is taking place right on your doorstep with funding from Saudi Arabia. I do not understand how you can even start to defend that. These lunatics are killing hundreds of innocent civilians.

It isn't the crude weapons that are the problem it is the promotion of a radical ideology. It is shameful that the British government is putting arms contracts before the lives of its own citizens.

Shaggy so you are saying once Britain stops selling arms to Saudi then the Islamic terrorism will stop. And most of the arms we sell are the typhoon jet that's not solely British it's a consortium and I am not even sure British aerospace is British anymore the typhoon is made by Britain Italy Spain Germany as I recall. I find it highly unlikely if we stopped those sales and allowed the Americans Russians and Chinese or French to supply it would stop Islamic terrorism but you seem convinced it will. As for the human rights (or lack of in Saudi and other Muslim countries) well maybe that's a warning it might be us one day in fact there is a very good chance of that coming to pass.

No Stan, what I am saying is that maybe the British government should stop dealing with people who are actively encouraging terrorists to murder British civilians.

Shaggy I could understand your argument if Islamic terrorists were flying typhoons over London supplied by Saudi fighting dog fights with the RAF. That's not the case Saudi is a friendly nation to the west and has a right to defend itself saddam Hussein had Saudi in his sights Iran might be a current threat. The west supplies them with high tech weapons. If we refused to do that as you want they would likely buy them from elsewhere if no one sold them they would either have to make them internally or risk invasion. Quite how any of that would work to our advantage including risk of destabilisation only you know. I don't pretend to know or have a solution to Islamic terrorism but it's far more complex than just cutting off Saudi Arabia. As Vish says though there are clerics and rouge princes over there that have to be addressed but that has to be by diplomatic means. This is a sideshow though to what is happening in our towns and cities for myself I am convinced it's a cultural and segregation issue in some ways.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...r-a7840406.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40496778

http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-com...amist-terrorism

Stan Is this is your definition of a friendly nation to the west.

If that does happen then the Islamic republic of Iran till take over a big part of the middle East, is that a better prospect?

What do you base that assertion on? The only countries invading in the middle east are western countries and Israel and we all know our interventions there have been complete disasters. It would be a welcome change if we in the west would mind our own business for a change.

Saudi Arabia is currently bombing Yemen with weapons that we have sold them and yet Iran are the bad guys? The Saudi's also backed Saddam in the Iran Iraq war yet that is conveniently forgotten also.

We are involved in the region for one reason and one reason only: OIL.

The fact that we are supporting a government that is funding the very terrorists that are murdering people on our streets is beyond belief.

You lot do my head in!

You're all arguing and bitching amongst each other with differing views as to how we all got into this dreadful state, situations that happened in the past and can therefore no longer be altered,whilst possible and realistic suggestions on how things can possibly be turned around....if it's not too late....are generally just dismissed.

Arguing and disagreeing with each other is not going to even remotely go towards solving these constant ongoing dreadful life threatening problems.

Get a grip of yourselves.