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Again Stan I abhor terrorism whether it is a lunatic blowing innocent children to pieces or governments turning a blind eye to it elsewhere.

So does more or less everyone I am trying to understand how your mind works are you saying no matter what the situation our armed forces should never be used against a country with a Muslim population no matter what ? Would we then not be defenceless ?

No, I didn't say that. Some wars have to be fought to defeat evil, WW2 obviously.

I think that we should mind our own business in many instances and look at the bigger picture before we charge in causing mayhem.

Iraq and Syria are now basket cases and no matter how well meaning our intentions may have been the outcomes have been horrendous. Britain, Russia and America have all tried to conquer Afghanistan and all have failed miserably. The Americans spent years searching Afghanistan for Bin Laden and found him in a compound next to an army base in Pakistan!

Whether we like it or not, many young muslims in Britain and Europe have been radicalised as a direct result of the military actions of western nations.

Then we had better disband our army navy and Air Force in case it upsets Muslims in the UK. You speak as if we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq for the fun of it ignoring saddam Hussein and the Taliban harbouring al quada and the death squads. Yes mistakes were made with hindsight but the idea had we done nothing then the world would be a safer place today may or may not be true. That's the problem with the future you don't know what's going to happen. Unlike you and emp who have the wonderful gift of hindsight and selective vision hence you can never be wrong

We ignored Saddam for decades because it suited our agenda.

When we eventually invaded we enjoyed it so much we decided we would do it again. Which is lucky, because if he had unleashed his weapons of mass destruction the world as we know it would have ended.

We invaded Afghanistan after 911 despite the fact that the vast majority of the hijackers were Saudis, but hey, let's not allow facts to get in the way of another easy target. Yet before that we were arming the Taliban because they were fighting the Russians.

We bravely bombed Syria from 30,000 feet killing thousands of civilians who we were apparently meant to be liberating.

We are currently selling arms to Saudi Arabia despite the fact that the dogs in the street know they are financing terrorism, including that which is taking place on our own front doors.

You didn't need hindsight to see that we invaded these countries despite the fact that we did not have a notion about who would replace the tyrants we removed. As we all know, it all turned out splendidly.

Sometimes doing nothing is absolutely the right thing to do.

We did not invade Afghanistan because of the airliners it was obvious the world faced a threat of Muslim terrorist attacks possible armed with weapons of mass destruction and could (probably would gave destabilised Pakistan (a nuclear state) we would have had to be lunatics to ignore that. Iraq 2003 a screw up especially post invasion. Doing nothing about Syria probably created the bloodbath it became. Yes sometimes doing nothing is the right option but sometimes you have to take action however if we not allowed to protect ourselves against Muslim nations for fear of inflaming our Muslim population in the west we have a major problem

1991 gulf war no choice Kuwait invasion Kosovo war necessary on humanitarian grounds to save Muslim lives (although we never hear about that funny enough)

Name one Muslim nation that has invaded a western state recently

I can't name one but I have no trouble thinking of Islamic violence both in western cities and overseas that needs military help. The streets of Paris are full of troops even Manchester has police with machine guns wandering around the railway stations. This is a different kind of war to the First World War where troops lined up wearing uniforms

I will give you an example the British are commissioning two big aircraft carriers with the new F35 stealth fighter bomber. These are designed for fast interventions for the type of war we are likely to face in the future e,g in trouble spots.