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I assume they nailed him

Body of Frenchman recovered from the Thames he was thrown off the bridge in the terror attack. I am heartily sick of hearing these things which are commonplace. Let's (for the sake of argument) did do what some are wanting disband our military and allow them to occupy the Middle East and presumable do as they wished here otherwise they would bomb and knife us. Shaggy and emp call then nut jobs but if they got their way they would effectively be running the country. This was once the nation that stood alone in the 1940,s against one of the biggest military powers in history. Are we going to cave in to these people in response to their violence ? In the real world I believe the capital of Islamic state racca is about to fall so they are on the verge of defeat anyway it would be utterly senseless to pull out now on every level and no one is suggesting it politically even the barking mad Corbyn. We do need to ensure some form of stability in Syria although that's not easy with the civil war my thoughts Assad evil though he is removing him would create a dangerous vacuum we saw in Iraq and Libya so I would leave him to it. We then have to turn our intention to the highly dangerous enemy within in western societies were we have a real and present danger whoever wins the election that is number one on their list

So you want Assad to remain and do what he likes, including gassing his own people. That's a very strange form of stability.

Assad is a brutal murderer shaggy but you seem to want him removed.

Fine

So when our planes bomb him will you be calling our pilots murderers creating atrocities ?

You can't have it both ways.

You want the nutjobs murdering people in Britain, shot, interned or deported.

Assad is a brutal murderer (your words) yet you seem to want to keep him in power.

A fine example of double standards there.

Pilots are meant to be highly trained and apparently we possess smart bombs. Yet still we keep murdering civilians. Yes I would like that to stop.

But now if you have your way we will be murdering civilians to ensure stability.

I thought you want the west to keep it's nose out of others business? I'm sure you said in the past we shouldn't have 'invaded' Syria?

We are constantly told by the left Islamic terrorism is our fault for our random attacks on the Middle East. Now shaggydog wants us to attack the Syrian state and depose Assad. Leaving aside that would involve a direct conflict with Russia and an almost certain conflict with that military powerful and nuclear armed state leaving that aside that would involve our forces in a very bloody war that shaggydog would expect us to do without harming a single Syrian civilian. Of course were we to engage in such action he and the left would be calling us warmongers. I find the critism of our pilots grossly offensive it's clear to anyone sensible we can't allow Islamic state to occupy the Middle East for all our sakes including those in the area. Our pilots put their lives on the line every day as do their allies (many Middle East countries) jets get shot down jets malfunction falling into hands of ISIS results in horrible torture before execution. Our pilots take great care to avoid civilian casualties they don't carpet bomb as those disgraceful slurs say. Also Islamic state are known to hide in civilian areas and even try to engineer civilian casualties there are even reports of them staging mock attacks killing civilians. The British left is the friend of these barbarians

Yeah I did, but it's a bit late for that now isn't it. We are embroiled in this mess now and disentangling ourselves will not be easy.

We joined in pretty late though. The place was a massive mess when we got involved so pulling out now wouldn't make much difference would it?

It might also show the Muslim world that we're not interfering (despite calls for us to on many occasions from Syrians) so they may stop the acts of terror over here? Is that not how it works?

I have no idea how the minds of the people carrying out the attacks in Britain work so I can't speak for them. Though given that there are nearly 3 million muslims in Britain there may be other factors at play there.

At the moment we are part of a coalition that is conducting mainly airstikes against whom, no one is really sure. By July 2016 Britain had carried out nearly 1000 airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, if they were late to the party they certainly caught up. What is going on in Britain at the moment is both terrifying and horrific. However we cannot pretend that terrifying and horrific acts are also being carried out elsewhere in our name.

There are currently seven different factions controlling various areas in Syria. The coalition has bombed both ISIS and Syrian Government forces and it seems we do not even know which side we are on.

Coalition bombs have also killed thousands of innocent civilians and now Stan is talking about keeping Assad in power. What was the point in getting involved in the first place if that is now the perceived solution.