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I don't understand tactics it's not that I am not intelligent enough I don't see the point it's not my job and I get the goal thing and that's enough for me to understand why make life hard ? Anyway while watching the burnley game Sunday my mind wandered while watching mane who ran the channels around the width or so of the 18 yard box. I started to think about burnley in the 70's they had a great winger called Leighton James we also had Steve heighway. These guys used to run the byline and whip crosses over. Now all this has largely gone from the game true wingers like mane are now forward midfielders who run the channels the old winger role is performed by wing backs (defenders). Now this is about pros and cons. The pros of course are you put more men putting pressure on defence. The cons are largely wing backs don't have the ability to go past men as the old wingers plus the idea of the winger was to open teams up by going wide and forcing defenders to split. Now all teams used the wingback system and the coaches know more than I obviously so that must be the best option. But sometimes I watch these modern games and think a true winger would be opening things up particularly in a park the bus situation.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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Good point that Stan,I haven't got the answers but I'm sure someone has.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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I don't understand tactics it's not that I am not intelligent enough I don't see the point it's not my job and I get the goal thing and that's enough for me to understand why make life hard ? Anyway while watching the burnley game Sunday my mind wandered while watching mane who ran the channels around the width or so of the 18 yard box. I started to think about burnley in the 70's they had a great winger called Leighton James we also had Steve heighway. These guys used to run the byline and whip crosses over. Now all this has largely gone from the game true wingers like mane are now forward midfielders who run the channels the old winger role is performed by wing backs (defenders). Now this is about pros and cons. The pros of course are you put more men putting pressure on defence. The cons are largely wing backs don't have the ability to go past men as the old wingers plus the idea of the winger was to open teams up by going wide and forcing defenders to split. Now all teams used the wingback system and the coaches know more than I obviously so that must be the best option. But sometimes I watch these modern games and think a true winger would be opening things up particularly in a park the bus situation. It's about the struggle for control of the centre, the wing backs spread the defence as per the traditional winger, so you have more players pressing the centre. If you've played chess you'll know that the battle for control of the centre generally determines the scale of advantage. It's noticeable that Klopp has his wing backs draw a defender or two and then immediately feed the ball in to the centre. It doesn't work very well against packed stonewall defensive set ups for obvious reasons, except on those occasions when one of the defenders makes an individual error.
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It infuriates me watching us put players on the opposite side of their natural foot! Watching Milner play, he may as well be waving a flag saying "I have to cut inside, to get on my right foot"! And then when he's defending any player that goes outside of him automatically has an advantage!
I've been posting about our need to use wingers to beat the lower league teams who park the bus. It's not about skying the ball into the box, from the wing... which is what some folks seem to think...but about stretching the congested defence and having runners into the box getting onto the end of decent crosses. We always try and walk the ball into the net from central areas especially against the lower teams we have a miserable record against.
And Stan, don't knock yourself...it's been too fri**ing apparent what this team is lacking. You don't have to be the greatest tactician to figure that out!
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I don't understand tactics it's not that I am not intelligent enough I don't see the point it's not my job and I get the goal thing and that's enough for me to understand why make life hard ? Anyway while watching the burnley game Sunday my mind wandered while watching mane who ran the channels around the width or so of the 18 yard box. I started to think about burnley in the 70's they had a great winger called Leighton James we also had Steve heighway. These guys used to run the byline and whip crosses over. Now all this has largely gone from the game true wingers like mane are now forward midfielders who run the channels the old winger role is performed by wing backs (defenders). Now this is about pros and cons. The pros of course are you put more men putting pressure on defence. The cons are largely wing backs don't have the ability to go past men as the old wingers plus the idea of the winger was to open teams up by going wide and forcing defenders to split. Now all teams used the wingback system and the coaches know more than I obviously so that must be the best option. But sometimes I watch these modern games and think a true winger would be opening things up particularly in a park the bus situation. Moses is a winger but is playing full back. In the old system there were less players attacking as most of the time the 4 defenders were just defending. Mane ends up tracking inside because I think we do not have a striker to head crosses
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Nothing wrong with 4-4-2 in my opinion. I'd love to see us play with real wingers and two strikers. People say it's old fashioned but Fergie dominated for 20 years playing it and Leicester won the league by 10 points playing it.
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Nothing wrong with 4-4-2 in my opinion. I'd love to see us play with real wingers and two strikers. People say it's old fashioned but Fergie dominated for 20 years playing it and Leicester won the league by 10 points playing it. Did Leicester play 442, don't remember, I thought they played with Vardy as the lone CF, might be mistaken? I always thought that a 352 would allow a lot of flexibility for turning defence into attack and vice versa fast if you have the right players, but haven't seen that too often, I like 343 otherwise.
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Stan how did you not mention Digger the greatest ever LFC winger??! How many goals/ chances he created was unreal.
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He's always going on about Digger, it's just in this case he didn't did deep enough!!!
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Stan how did you not mention Digger the greatest ever LFC winger??! How many goals/ chances he created was unreal. Yeah, my fave Liverpool player ever.
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