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#559295 05/03/17 09:30 AM
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Let's face it we love being the under dog we rise to the challenge. We usually play our best when we are not the favorites. But give us that favorites tag and we turn in to a pile of poo. We've been the same for the last 10 years! I just hope klopp can help us overcome this tag and make us great not just against the top teams but also against the lower rep teams. Only time will tell.

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Originally Posted By Rory
Let's face it we love being the under dog we rise to the challenge. We usually play our best when we are not the favorites. But give us that favorites tag and we turn in to a pile of poo. We've been the same for the last 10 years! I just hope klopp can help us overcome this tag and make us great not just against the top teams but also against the lower rep teams. Only time will tell.

Well he's yet to show us he can out think a parked bus methodology/tactic. What's that song again...'the only tune that I could play was up the middle and belt away'...or was it over the hills and far away, yeah! Anyway let's hope he's just been hiding all that great diversity of tactics just to bamboozle the rest of the league....

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We are the Robin Hood of the Premier league,taking points off the rich and giving points to the poor grin

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Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By Rory
Let's face it we love being the under dog we rise to the challenge. We usually play our best when we are not the favorites. But give us that favorites tag and we turn in to a pile of poo. We've been the same for the last 10 years! I just hope klopp can help us overcome this tag and make us great not just against the top teams but also against the lower rep teams. Only time will tell.

Well he's yet to show us he can out think a parked bus methodology/tactic. What's that song again...'the only tune that I could play was up the middle and belt away'...or was it over the hills and far away, yeah! Anyway let's hope he's just been hiding all that great diversity of tactics just to bamboozle the rest of the league....


When a team just defends and parks the bus it's very hard to break down for any team. Even the master of said tactic, Maureen, got done by it a few times with Chelsea (and then had the front to moan about it!). You can change your tactics and approach to a team like that but if all they're interested in is packing the defence and nothing else, it's extremely hard to break down.

The only difference with us and others who suffer this tactic is that we can't defend for shitte and always seem to leak a goal. If we can sort that then we shouldn't lose so many of those types of games.

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Yup!

Hard to argue against that Wilks!

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Klopp's tactics have let us down this season I feel. There has not been enough variation in his tactics and he has no answers to teams at the bottom of the table sitting deep.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By Rory
Let's face it we love being the under dog we rise to the challenge. We usually play our best when we are not the favorites. But give us that favorites tag and we turn in to a pile of poo. We've been the same for the last 10 years! I just hope klopp can help us overcome this tag and make us great not just against the top teams but also against the lower rep teams. Only time will tell.

Well he's yet to show us he can out think a parked bus methodology/tactic. What's that song again...'the only tune that I could play was up the middle and belt away'...or was it over the hills and far away, yeah! Anyway let's hope he's just been hiding all that great diversity of tactics just to bamboozle the rest of the league....


When a team just defends and parks the bus it's very hard to break down for any team. Even the master of said tactic, Maureen, got done by it a few times with Chelsea (and then had the front to moan about it!). You can change your tactics and approach to a team like that but if all they're interested in is packing the defence and nothing else, it's extremely hard to break down.

The only difference with us and others who suffer this tactic is that we can't defend for shitte and always seem to leak a goal. If we can sort that then we shouldn't lose so many of those types of games.

I know it can be difficult to break down such negative tactics, but it can and has been done, and it requires variations on approach, whereas under Klopp we have no variations and we just pass the ball back and forth in front of the wall in the hope it collapses of it's own accord!! Except what invariably happens it breaks out behind us and scores, and still no variation from us. Also who's to blame for a consistent and continuing inability to defend against relegation threatened teams sitting deep and breaking when they've most miraculously and skilfully led us on to them?

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Well all we can do is play to our strengths. I remember us trying the direct approach with Benteke and that didn't work either. But for me, you can vary the approach all you want but when there's 10 men back and defending resolutely, it's very difficult to break down whoever you are and however you approach it.

And it's not just relegation threatened teams we concede against it's everyone! Matip has made a big difference when he's played especially with Lovren but we still need to improve. I also think that when Flappy is gone and we (hopefully) get a commanding keeper, that'll help massively.

The other thing that will help is having a proper striker who can actually stay fit and score. When you look at the likes of Costa, Ibrahimovic and Kane who can be clinical, we don't have that (well we do but he's always at the doctors!). As good as we've been with Firmino as a make shift striker, if we had a proper out and out striker I think we'd get passed some of these overly defensive teams.

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I agree we need a clinical striker/finisher and a decent goalkeeper. We also need a top class central defender and a left full back, indeed another back up right full would be useful as well. Then there's our soft centre with it's lack of creativity that needs attention too. However that's what Klopp should have dealt with and didn't to our cost, maybe he'll do something about it in the summer, or more likely he'll stay true to his own form and FSGs and sign a load of cheap overpriced prospects and we'll be still running hard to stand still! However and in the meantime we need most of all to find a few variations in our play. Looking at the fixture list the vast majority of the sides are likely to be bus drivers.

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Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
I agree we need a clinical striker/finisher and a decent goalkeeper. We also need a top class central defender and a left full back, indeed another back up right full would be useful as well. Then there's our soft centre with it's lack of creativity that needs attention too. However that's what Klopp should have dealt with and didn't to our cost, maybe he'll do something about it in the summer, or more likely he'll stay true to his own form and FSGs and sign a load of cheap overpriced prospects and we'll be still running hard to stand still! However and in the meantime we need most of all to find a few variations in our play. Looking at the fixture list the vast majority of the sides are likely to be bus drivers.


The highlighted part sums it all up nicely for me.

And the two underscored parts made me laugh! Well put Herc! laugh

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