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I don't know. There's been allot to be pessimistic about recently. But in reality, if you exclude the cups, we have had a couple of bad results, Sunderland snd Swansea.
Firstly, I think any if the top 6 would have struggled with the amount of injuries we have had. Coutinho firmino lallana and mane have not played together since November. Take out hazard Costa willian and pedro from Chelsea and see how they go, their squad would be irrelevant.
With mane back, all the other key players back from injury, we are at full tilt again and still in the top 4, dare I say still within reach of Chelsea, who lets not forget, have utd, city, arsenal, Everton still to play. If the players aren't thinking this way, wow, then we really do have a problem. Well those players haven't always played together, Pedro and Batshuayi are much better than our Origi and Sturridge. When Costa was on strike, Pedro came in and did a fantastic job, even yesterday he did a good job when called on. We still have to play City away, Arsenal and Spurs at home and out record against the lesser team is no easy win. How can you say he's better than Origi? He's hardly ever played and when he has he hasn't looked at all good. If that's what £32m gets you I'll stick with Origi for £10m! think we can all pick cheaper options to make a point, the money we spent on Lovren, Henderson, Llalana, Mane and Firmino doesn't get you much considering what we payed for them either, it's easy to put it that way and Clubs can always get better value for money when comparing them to cheaper options who have done well. It's not about a cheaper option just about how good the player is and Bat whatever his name is hasn't proved to be any better than Origi in this case.
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I don't know. There's been allot to be pessimistic about recently. But in reality, if you exclude the cups, we have had a couple of bad results, Sunderland snd Swansea.
Firstly, I think any if the top 6 would have struggled with the amount of injuries we have had. Coutinho firmino lallana and mane have not played together since November. Take out hazard Costa willian and pedro from Chelsea and see how they go, their squad would be irrelevant.
With mane back, all the other key players back from injury, we are at full tilt again and still in the top 4, dare I say still within reach of Chelsea, who lets not forget, have utd, city, arsenal, Everton still to play. If the players aren't thinking this way, wow, then we really do have a problem. Well those players haven't always played together, Pedro and Batshuayi are much better than our Origi and Sturridge. When Costa was on strike, Pedro came in and did a fantastic job, even yesterday he did a good job when called on. We still have to play City away, Arsenal and Spurs at home and out record against the lesser team is no easy win. How can you say he's better than Origi? He's hardly ever played and when he has he hasn't looked at all good. If that's what £32m gets you I'll stick with Origi for £10m! I said Pedro and Batshuayi are better than Origi and Sturridge, together, not comparing player to player. Anyway, if you want to go that route, Pedro is much better than Origi and Sturridge hasn't done much better than Batshuayi who is a very good player I know from the French league who can hardly get opportunities to show it because of the quality of Chelsea players. In fact they play with 3 in front out of Costa, Hazard, Willian and Pedro who have about the same level, we play with 4 out of Firmino, Coutinho, Lallana Mane and Origi. I consider Origi nowhere near that level Why not compare like for like though? Pedro is the senior player of the two as is Sturridge and I'd have Sturridge over Pedro in a purely who's the better striker scenario. As for the other two, Batshuayi has shown nothing to suggest he's better than Origi in the EPL. He could've got games at the start of the season when Chelsea were struggling but I can hardly remember him doing well. Also just recently when Costa was out why did he not get games then as he's more a pure striker than Pedro. I'm not suggesting that Origi is a great player but Batshuayi hasn't shown anything to suggest he's better.
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Why not compare like for like though? Pedro is the senior player of the two as is Sturridge and I'd have Sturridge over Pedro in a purely who's the better striker scenario. As for the other two, Batshuayi has shown nothing to suggest he's better than Origi in the EPL. He could've got games at the start of the season when Chelsea were struggling but I can hardly remember him doing well. Also just recently when Costa was out why did he not get games then as he's more a pure striker than Pedro.
I'm not suggesting that Origi is a great player but Batshuayi hasn't shown anything to suggest he's better.
Seniority? What the hell is that, this is football not public administration. If as you say Sturridge is senior to Origi, then he should play before him, no? and Lucas should play every game? If you'd have Sturridge over Pedro in our attack, I don't have anything to say to you. Maybe you haven't noticed but we don't play with a traditional striker but attackers otherwise Sturridge would have been the first name in the team e ery time when fit. Batshuayi is being eased in in a new league and Chelsea has better options.
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Why not compare like for like though? Pedro is the senior player of the two as is Sturridge and I'd have Sturridge over Pedro in a purely who's the better striker scenario. As for the other two, Batshuayi has shown nothing to suggest he's better than Origi in the EPL. He could've got games at the start of the season when Chelsea were struggling but I can hardly remember him doing well. Also just recently when Costa was out why did he not get games then as he's more a pure striker than Pedro.
I'm not suggesting that Origi is a great player but Batshuayi hasn't shown anything to suggest he's better.
Seniority? What the hell is that, this is football not public administration. If as you say Sturridge is senior to Origi, then he should play before him, no? and Lucas should play every game? If you'd have Sturridge over Pedro in our attack, I don't have anything to say to you. Maybe you haven't noticed but we don't play with a traditional striker but attackers otherwise Sturridge would have been the first name in the team e ery time when fit. Batshuayi is being eased in in a new league and Chelsea has better options. Come on Vish, you know full well what I mean by seniority. As in the player who has been a pro for longer. And yes, I'd have a fit and firing Sturridge over Pedro any day. The problem with sturridge is he might be fit but he ain't firing at the moment, probably down to him not fitting the system. And I don't buy it that Batshuayi is being eased it. That excuse don't cut it for our players and he cost £32m! He should be able to hit the ground running if he's worth that much.
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Why not compare like for like though? Pedro is the senior player of the two as is Sturridge and I'd have Sturridge over Pedro in a purely who's the better striker scenario. As for the other two, Batshuayi has shown nothing to suggest he's better than Origi in the EPL. He could've got games at the start of the season when Chelsea were struggling but I can hardly remember him doing well. Also just recently when Costa was out why did he not get games then as he's more a pure striker than Pedro.
I'm not suggesting that Origi is a great player but Batshuayi hasn't shown anything to suggest he's better.
Seniority? What the hell is that, this is football not public administration. If as you say Sturridge is senior to Origi, then he should play before him, no? and Lucas should play every game? If you'd have Sturridge over Pedro in our attack, I don't have anything to say to you. Maybe you haven't noticed but we don't play with a traditional striker but attackers otherwise Sturridge would have been the first name in the team e ery time when fit. Batshuayi is being eased in in a new league and Chelsea has better options. Come on Vish, you know full well what I mean by seniority. As in the player who has been a pro for longer. And yes, I'd have a fit and firing Sturridge over Pedro any day. The problem with sturridge is he might be fit but he ain't firing at the moment, probably down to him not fitting the system. And I don't buy it that Batshuayi is being eased it. That excuse don't cut it for our players and he cost £32m! He should be able to hit the ground running if he's worth that much. Being pro longer is not a basis for comparison but who is chosen by the manager to play. Pedro and Origi are and when you compare Sturridge it shouldn't be on his history, but what he is bringing to the team now, on that Sturridge is nowhere near Pedro. I never discussed price so I don't know why you are mentionning that, he is not playing because Chelsea has better players. I don't even understand what you are argueing about, are you saying we have a better squad than Chelsea?
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Yes it is based on you saying that Batshuayi is being eased in.
All I'm trying to say is, you bashing Origi again and saying Batshuayi is better is wrong. It's based on nothing but the fact that you don't rate Origi.
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Yes it is based on you saying that Batshuayi is being eased in.
All I'm trying to say is, you bashing Origi again and saying Batshuayi is better is wrong. It's based on nothing but the fact that you don't rate Origi. You are talking shyte now, I never compared Origi to Batshuayi, I was comparing the the squads after the poster said any team would struggle if their best player/s are out. When YOU went into comparing players, I compared Origi to Pedro as they are the natural replacements of the first team players in their respective teams, but then you came up with the crap of seniority. And yes, you might not agree, I would have preferred to have Pedro over Origi in our team. Show me where I compared Batshuayi to Origi, I am not stupid to do that, one of them hardly played in the EPL. I could if I wanted but in the French league, but that would be irrelevant.
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I never talk shitte vish.
And for me, a fit and firing Sturridge would trump Pedro any day and add to that Origi, who has been better than Batshuayi in the EPL despite what you think of him, I'd say they're more than comparable.
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I never talk shitte vish.
And for me, a fit and firing Sturridge would trump Pedro any day and add to that Origi, who has been better than Batshuayi in the EPL despite what you think of him, I'd say they're more than comparable. If you want to compare Origi to Batshuayi, you can, I am not and I haven't seen Sturridge firing anything for more than a year. I am convinced Chelsea has a better squad, do you think otherwise?
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Oh so now we're talking squads? They have a better squad and I've never saidvthey haven't. But just looking at the two players you've compared from both of us, Chelsea's are no better in my opinion.
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