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FSG are doing what they are supposed to which is make a profit, if people don't like it then they shouldn't pick a business to support, this unfortunately is modern football.
This is the reason I am no fan of Klopp, Klopp does what the owners want which is try to get the team into the top four to make a profit, he will nevertheless do what us fans want which is win cups and have success we can tell stories and sing about. How is sending out £38m worth of players making a profit? Surely selling them would've been better? am sure when we get next seasons balance sheet it will say profit regardless of what happens on the pitch which shows FSG are the best people for the business. If people want the team to win cups and be successful then am afraid your going to need another manager and another set of owners so good luck with trying to find that, like finding a needle in a haystack. I think if we did ever replace FSG it would only be like for like with similar type owners and as for a manager you are only going to get a manager like Klopp who will follow orders in regards get a top four place and play weak teams in the Cups he has to do what his employers ask him to do, no point really, never be any different What the hell has any of that got to do with your statement (that was wrong) about how loaning players is about making profit? Please try and stick to the topic.
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He should prioritise the league over the cups. Top 4 means more money, better players and competing at the top level.
No-one looks back to the great teams of the 70's and 80's and talks about the great league cup victories.
1. League
2. CL
3. Everything else
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He should prioritise the league over the cups. Top 4 means more money, better players and competing at the top level.
No-one looks back to the great teams of the 70's and 80's and talks about the great league cup victories.
1. League
2. CL
3. Everything else I regularly see the number of trophies we won, in fact at the beginning of every home game there is a big flag with the number of flags we won. It is the same on any media talking about any club's acheievements.
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so are you saying all those people who pay for match tickets and season tickets are just paying to finish fourth every season which if people are honest is all a club like ours can achieve at best.
I have mentioned before all we are trying to be is Arsenal where there only goal is appearing in the champions league and making big Stan Kronke a few bob. Unfortunately the money generated by the cups is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the champions league money, maybe put a champions league spot up for grabs by winning the FA cup and it becomes competitive again , but I'm guessing Klopp sees champions league as success over domestic cups.
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so are you saying all those people who pay for match tickets and season tickets are just paying to finish fourth every season which if people are honest is all a club like ours can achieve at best.
I have mentioned before all we are trying to be is Arsenal where there only goal is appearing in the champions league and making big Stan Kronke a few bob. Unfortunately the money generated by the cups is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the champions league money, maybe put a champions league spot up for grabs by winning the FA cup and it becomes competitive again , but I'm guessing Klopp sees champions league as success over domestic cups. I am not saying we should have played our first team against Wolves because with all due respect, our reserves with a few first teamers should have done the job. Non of the top clubs played their full first team. Our problem is lack of depth, nobody can deny that
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He should prioritise the league over the cups. Top 4 means more money, better players and competing at the top level.
No-one looks back to the great teams of the 70's and 80's and talks about the great league cup victories.
1. League
2. CL
3. Everything else your wrong my friend nobody remembers who finished second, third and fourth in the League but there is more chance of remembering a Cup win, what do you think the stories and songs are about...finishing fourth ? We can still have the same success we are only going to have anyway if we play in the champions league or not because we won't win the Premier League again and we won't be winning the Champions League anytime soon either. Arsenal have played champions league every season for past 20 years or so and have never won the champions league and haven't won the league since the invincible season all those years ago so there's absolutely no real benefit of playing champions league. The only ones to benefit are Stan Kronke and FSG and that's why they are so desperate to qualify and why there managers are given strict instructions to get into it at all costs mostly at expense of Cups. If you remember Dalglish was sacked after winning a Cup and not qualifying for champions league so if people can't see that's where the priority is I don't know what else I can say.
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Lets say we finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
shall we be brutally honest, with our squad size (at most 14 decent 1st players), we have not got a cats hell in chance of competing in both the CL and Prem next season.
Need I remind you, that is purely down to FSG reducing our squad over the years by claiming with no Europe we don't need such a large squad.
Look at Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City they have 2 top class players for each position.
consider us, hell we don't even have a left back, or 1st choice striker.
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Lets say we finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
shall we be brutally honest, with our squad size (at most 14 decent 1st players), we have not got a cats hell in chance of competing in both the CL and Prem next season.
Need I remind you, that is purely down to FSG reducing our squad over the years by claiming with no Europe we don't need such a large squad.
Look at Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City they have 2 top class players for each position.
consider us, hell we don't even have a left back, or 1st choice striker. what makes me laugh about posters clambering for champions league is that even when We played in it we are an embarrassment... Basel and Ludogorets anyone...
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And that is partly down to FSG reducing the size and quality of our squad.
We can't compete in both the CL and Prem. Look at how BR fared when he tried to both with a diminished squad.
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Not sure I agree with this not big enough nonsense. Klopp has had money to spend and chose not too, not sure how that's FSG's fault. We've got two players for every position, again it's the managers fault if the second team isn't good enough as he's said himself there's money to spend.
Team1: Mignolet,Clyne,Matip,Lovren,Milner,Lallana,Henderson,Wijnaldum,Mane,FirminioCoutinho.
Team 2: Karius,Alexander-Arnold,Gomez,Klavan,Moreno,Grujic,Lucas,Can,Origi,Sturridge,Ojo
Those are the teams Klopp has chosen, he's had 3 Windows and plenty of money so if you don't think the squad is big or good enough then that's down to Klopp. Personally I think it's more to do with too much squad rotation. You can't expect to play a different 11 every game and expect the team to perform. This isn't a defence of FSG because I think they should be investing a lot more in the stadium in particular but the troubles on the pitch last month were nothing to do with FSG and completely down to mistakes by the manager.
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