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Originally Posted By WiseOne
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Should we not give our better players new contracts and just let them leave for more money? Would that keep you all happy?
I would give players performance related contracts, if they play well they get paid if they don't play well they don't get payed....simple also If players wanted to make themselves available for the countries then they should have there wages halved because of the risk of injury not to mention any fatigue they might have for traveling all over the world. I would protect the Clubs interests before any players.

And just for the record while we are on the subject of changes....Take the third and fourth place champions league spots away and give them to the winners of the League Cup and F.A Cup, that would stop weakened teams being played and foreign managers disrespecting the domestic cups by not taking them seriously.


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Should we not give our better players new contracts and just let them leave for more money? Would that keep you all happy?
I would give players performance related contracts, if they play well they get paid if they don't play well they don't get payed....simple also If players wanted to make themselves available for the countries then they should have there wages halved because of the risk of injury not to mention any fatigue they might have for traveling all over the world. I would protect the Clubs interests before any players.

And just for the record while we are on the subject of changes....Take the third and fourth place champions league spots away and give them to the winners of the League Cup and F.A Cup, that would stop weakened teams being played and foreign managers disrespecting the domestic cups by not taking them seriously.


That still doesn't answer my question as to whether we should be giving our top players new deals or let them move on for more?

And your suggestion wouldn't work in most work places so why should it for football?

I'd definitely agree with the fa cup getting a champions league spot. But I'd like to see the champions league changed so that only the champions play in it. After all, it is named after them.

I'd also drop the league cup completely. One domestic cup is enough especially with the amount of games there are in the league let alone any European games and cup games. There's no need for it.


Problem is your looking at what would be good from a football perspective, Uefa want the CL full of the big name clubs/players, as that attracts the sponsors, so you will never just get the league winners, look at this year, Leicester would be the English club, that's not gonna attract Sony/Ford corporate money and worldwide TV interest, they want Man Utd/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool etc, Wigan would have been in CL a few years ago in the Championship base on FA Cup winners!!!

As for our best players, yes, if there doing well and have a future, we should sign them to decent deals, that only increases their value if we sell them anyways.

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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By WiseOne
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Should we not give our better players new contracts and just let them leave for more money? Would that keep you all happy?
I would give players performance related contracts, if they play well they get paid if they don't play well they don't get payed....simple also If players wanted to make themselves available for the countries then they should have there wages halved because of the risk of injury not to mention any fatigue they might have for traveling all over the world. I would protect the Clubs interests before any players.

And just for the record while we are on the subject of changes....Take the third and fourth place champions league spots away and give them to the winners of the League Cup and F.A Cup, that would stop weakened teams being played and foreign managers disrespecting the domestic cups by not taking them seriously.


That still doesn't answer my question as to whether we should be giving our top players new deals or let them move on for more?

And your suggestion wouldn't work in most work places so why should it for football?

I'd definitely agree with the fa cup getting a champions league spot. But I'd like to see the champions league changed so that only the champions play in it. After all, it is named after them.

I'd also drop the league cup completely. One domestic cup is enough especially with the amount of games there are in the league let alone any European games and cup games. There's no need for it.


Problem is your looking at what would be good from a football perspective, Uefa want the CL full of the big name clubs/players, as that attracts the sponsors, so you will never just get the league winners, look at this year, Leicester would be the English club, that's not gonna attract Sony/Ford corporate money and worldwide TV interest, they want Man Utd/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool etc, Wigan would have been in CL a few years ago in the Championship base on FA Cup winners!!!

As for our best players, yes, if there doing well and have a future, we should sign them to decent deals, that only increases their value if we sell them anyways.
yes the powers that be are only interested in the big clubs for money and sponsorship reasons however there is no way Wigan would of played in the champions league for the simple reason the big clubs would take the domestic cups serious so smaller clubs wouldn't have much of a chance like they do now of winning the F.A Cup. that's why giving Champions League places to winners would inject importance back in to them which isn't there now.

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Originally Posted By WiseOne
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[quote=wilkij1975]Should we not give our better players new contracts and just let them leave for more money? Would that keep you all happy?
I would give players performance related contracts, if they play well they get paid if they don't play well they don't get payed....simple also If players wanted to make themselves available for the countries then they should have there wages halved because of the risk of injury not to mention any fatigue they might have for traveling all over the world. I would protect the Clubs interests before any players.

And just for the record while we are on the subject of changes....Take the third and fourth place champions league spots away and give them to the winners of the League Cup and F.A Cup, that would stop weakened teams being played and foreign managers disrespecting the domestic cups by not taking them seriously.




Problem is your looking at what would be good from a football perspective, Uefa want the CL full of the big name clubs/players, as that attracts the sponsors, so you will never just get the league winners, look at this year, Leicester would be the English club, that's not gonna attract Sony/Ford corporate money and worldwide TV interest, they want Man Utd/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool etc, Wigan would have been in CL a few years ago in the Championship base on FA Cup winners!!!

As for our best players, yes, if there doing well and have a future, we should sign them to decent deals, that only increases their value if we sell them anyways.
yes the powers that be are only interested in the big clubs for money and sponsorship reasons however there is no way Wigan would of played in the champions league for the simple reason the big clubs would take the domestic cups serious so smaller clubs wouldn't have much of a chance like they do now of winning the F.A Cup. that's why giving Champions League places to winners would inject importance back in to them which isn't there now.


I agree, the big clubs would take the cups seriously if there were CL places to be had, but I think the cups are more interesting with the youth players etc playing, they are the only games they get in the first team, you can see players coming though and if they impress, they may get in the first team for the PL.

I am surprised some of the teams in the PL that will be safe but will not challenge, do not take the cups seriously, seems silly to throw away the chance of glory, when most of their season is based on remaining 'safe' In the PL.

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I have always said the Clubs from 5th down to about 12th should make winning a domestic Cup there main priority each season, these clubs won't win Leagues and at the same time won't get relegated so why not take the cups serious, play the youngsters in the League games before the Cup games and give them a chance to gain experience rather than in important one off Cup games where if the team gets knocked out they get critism and pressure not to mention the blame for ruining a season.

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I have always said the Clubs from 5th down to about 12th should make winning a domestic Cup there main priority each season, these clubs won't win Leagues and at the same time won't get relegated so why not take the cups serious, play the youngsters in the League games before the Cup games and give them a chance to gain experience rather than in important one off Cup games where if the team gets knocked out they get critism and pressure not to mention the blame for ruining a season.


Imagine how that would go down, if Stoke rested 6 first team players for a game at home to Chelsea before an FA Cup game and lose, then the week after the FA Cup they sent a full strength team out to beat Man Utd !

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I have always said the Clubs from 5th down to about 12th should make winning a domestic Cup there main priority each season, these clubs won't win Leagues and at the same time won't get relegated so why not take the cups serious, play the youngsters in the League games before the Cup games and give them a chance to gain experience rather than in important one off Cup games where if the team gets knocked out they get critism and pressure not to mention the blame for ruining a season.


Imagine how that would go down, if Stoke rested 6 first team players for a game at home to Chelsea before an FA Cup game and lose, then the week after the FA Cup they sent a full strength team out to beat Man Utd !
they would probably be happy as they have more of a chance of silverware in the Cup than having no chance of winning the league this is why I don't understand clubs Like ourselves, Spurs or Everton not wanting to take the Cup serious as this is the only thing we will ever win, just doesn't make sense to me, just look at us now, nothing to play for and season over in January how is this good for fans.

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I have always said the Clubs from 5th down to about 12th should make winning a domestic Cup there main priority each season, these clubs won't win Leagues and at the same time won't get relegated so why not take the cups serious, play the youngsters in the League games before the Cup games and give them a chance to gain experience rather than in important one off Cup games where if the team gets knocked out they get critism and pressure not to mention the blame for ruining a season.


Imagine how that would go down, if Stoke rested 6 first team players for a game at home to Chelsea before an FA Cup game and lose, then the week after the FA Cup they sent a full strength team out to beat Man Utd !
they would probably be happy as they have more of a chance of silverware in the Cup than having no chance of winning the league this is why I don't understand clubs Like ourselves, Spurs or Everton not wanting to take the Cup serious as this is the only thing we will ever win, just doesn't make sense to me, just look at us now, nothing to play for and season over in January how is this good for fans.


I meant imagine how the teams challenging for the PL would react. if one week they had a full strength Stoke against them in the PL, then 2 weeks later their major PL rivals had a Stoke team with 8 first teamers being rested for the FA Cup against their major rivals.

I sill think Tottenham are in the reckoning for the PL, certainly for top 4, Chelsea have been impressive, but I think they may have a wobble to come, Costa can create problems from nowhere !!!

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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By WiseOne
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By WiseOne
I have always said the Clubs from 5th down to about 12th should make winning a domestic Cup there main priority each season, these clubs won't win Leagues and at the same time won't get relegated so why not take the cups serious, play the youngsters in the League games before the Cup games and give them a chance to gain experience rather than in important one off Cup games where if the team gets knocked out they get critism and pressure not to mention the blame for ruining a season.


Imagine how that would go down, if Stoke rested 6 first team players for a game at home to Chelsea before an FA Cup game and lose, then the week after the FA Cup they sent a full strength team out to beat Man Utd !
they would probably be happy as they have more of a chance of silverware in the Cup than having no chance of winning the league this is why I don't understand clubs Like ourselves, Spurs or Everton not wanting to take the Cup serious as this is the only thing we will ever win, just doesn't make sense to me, just look at us now, nothing to play for and season over in January how is this good for fans.


I meant imagine how the teams challenging for the PL would react. if one week they had a full strength Stoke against them in the PL, then 2 weeks later their major PL rivals had a Stoke team with 8 first teamers being rested for the FA Cup against their major rivals.

I sill think Tottenham are in the reckoning for the PL, certainly for top 4, Chelsea have been impressive, but I think they may have a wobble to come, Costa can create problems from nowhere !!!


I am dead sure Chelsea will win the league

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