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I've not seen anyone bash Klopp, really. I've only seen people bash the board, and our average players.

Social meida - that explains it. Those places are full of nutters. People seem to lose all sense of civility - it's been a topic of discussion in the news recently after the Brexit stuff and other incidents.

I think we all support him - wish him well and hope it works out. But having and expressing an opinion on certain decisions, tactics etc. doesn't equate to a lack of support. They can perhaps be classed doubts/lack of faith but surely not lack of support?

They'd be very fickle fans, most fans see Klopp has brought us forward, but it will take time, he's had 1 summer transfer Window, where most business is done, this will take time.

Think back 6-7 years when H&G owned us and Hodgson was our manager, we were falling apart buying past it players like Poulsen & Konchesky, on the verge of going bust, things are much better now, but not perfect in any respect.

Indeed they are nutters! The worry is that some of that guff is spilling into real life but that's a whole other topic!

Having said that, think back just a few years earlier... when H&G owned us and Rafa was the manager. He took chances in the transfer market ... quite a few didn't work out. But at the same time he landed Reina, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano... Champions League football every season bar one, two CL finals, victories against Barcelona, Juventus, Inter Milan, Chelsea and quite a few in Manchester too.

Rafa always worked in a restricted budget, he tried to buy the likes of Alves, Costa etc, when he was allowed to spend big money (at the time), he bought quality like Alonso/Torres/Mascherano/Reina etc but too often he was made to buy cheaper players, which were more of a risk.

Rafa was forced to sell his best players near the end, we had to sell the likes of Mascherano/Alonso to help finance H&G debts they took on to buy us, good players were sold and cheap players brought in to replace them.

Comparing CL qualification now to then just does not compare, in the early to mid 00's Man Utd, Arsenal and us pretty much always qualified, then Chelsea emerged with Abramovic money and we got a 4th spot, so we all qualified, now City have emerged with their mega money, Tottenham are a much more formidable team now, so CL qualification is much harder now than ever before.

That's the key point in the context of recent discussions. There's one view which suggests that if you can't get the players you want then don't get anyone. There's the alternative which says if you can't get your first choice then get your second or even third as opposed to doing nothing. My summary might be too simplistic but it appears that way.

(btw, Alonso and Reina weren't big money buys. £10m and £6m I believe)

The thing is, we've moaned about us getting our second and third choice players in the past so why now would it be OK to do so?

It's also very hard to compare what Alonso and Reina were bought for to what we'd get now. For that money we'd get next to nothing and to get their quality, you'd be talking over £20m a piece. I know we're better off now too though.

That's the dilemna we face. Esp because we don't know, and never will know I guess, what the owners and the manager have agreed.

If they have agreed that the money is there for the right player then that's fine. But in this situation we should expect to see at least 1 top signing every summer no? But that never happens. Is ist because we always miss out? Or is it because the strategy doesn't allow for high cost players?

If we are not in the market for A1 high cost players, then we're in the market for the best of the rest. Problem is, there are lots of other clubs in the same market. So in this situation, maybe wheeling and dealing and sometimes speculative purchases/gambles are the way to go. It'll annoy us when it doesn't work out but maybe we just need to accept that risk and the club needs to be smart in moving failed players on. I'm not necessarily convinced myself - it's a thought.

Alonso was our record buy at the time, £10million was a very big transfer in 2004, same with Reina, £6million 2005 for a keep was allot of money.

Going back to the original point, we were being forced to sell our best players/lower wage bill with players like Alonso/Mascherano going, what players would want to stay when you watched the best players around you being sold off and mediocre brought in cheaply to replace them.

We are now talking about whether we should bring in players or not, FSG are not actively trying to sell Firmino/Coutinho/Lallana etc to finance their debts, if FSG wanted to, i'm sure there are takers as clubs like PSG are struggling to get players in the transfer market and they have big funds.

From what I have seen, only Suarez has left who we did not want to leave and that was his personal decision and the money generated was given to BR/recruites, that they bought some rubbish (Markovic etc) is not FSG fault, they also brought in some good players in Lallana/Origi etc.