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What is the definition of World Class?
For different people it is different things, I say it's when a player is one of the best players for their position in the world, so the likes of Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero, Iniesta, Lahm, Hummels, Neuer, De Gea.
Phil Neville won lots of medals, but he was never world class, then Shearer only has 1 medal, but he was world class, so it's not purely about what you win as some players are just lucky to end up in a team with some world class players like Neville did, it does not make him world class.
A team will always beat the a group of talented individuals, that's why RM struggle to win the league. That's the way I would class it.
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I agree ecnirp98, it is someone who is on par with the best in their position in world football. That doesn't mean to say that they have to be winning trophies or at a top club, it just means its less evident/subjective as to whether they have the ability to aspire to the level suggested. A world-class player can make a difference for any team.
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I agree ecnirp98, it is someone who is on par with the best in their position in world football. That doesn't mean to say that they have to be winning trophies or at a top club, it just means its less evident/subjective as to whether they have the ability to aspire to the level suggested. A world-class player can make a difference for any team. It's like Matt Le Tisier, he played his whole career at a small club and never won a trophy, with lesser quality players, but he regularly scored 20 goals a season and kept them up, he was an exceptional player, apparently Souness tried to buy him when Liverpool manager, he would have been great for us.
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What is the definition of World Class?
For different people it is different things, I say it's when a player is one of the best players for their position in the world, so the likes of Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero, Iniesta, Lahm, Hummels, Neuer, De Gea.
Phil Neville won lots of medals, but he was never world class, then Shearer only has 1 medal, but he was world class, so it's not purely about what you win as some players are just lucky to end up in a team with some world class players like Neville did, it does not make him world class.
A team will always beat the a group of talented individuals, that's why RM struggle to win the league. This is what it is. Also, as it is an opinion, what the majority thinks matters, this is why I think that those selected in FIFA 11 should be considered as world class. The Ballon d'or is given to the best player of the year on that same basis, it is the closest you can get to objectivity as opinions are subjective.
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I'm cringing for you now Spangles. the point I am making is Suarez never even played champions league at Liverpool so how can he be classed as world classed if he never performed on that stage also he only won a league cup and last time I looked it wasn't classed as a major trophy. I think the biggest league games a Liverpool player can play in each season is against United and Everton so that's why I said that's also not a world class fixture. The most telling factor was the four biggest games Suarez played in while at Liverpool was against Cardiff League Cup Final, Chelsea F.A Cup Final, against City in the league title run in and against Chelsea in the must win game SUAREZ NEVER SHOWED UP in any of these games whatsoever and as we know world class players make there name in these types of fixtures.... this surely now clears the Suarez not being world class at Liverpool up... So he immediately became world class when he left us and slipped on the Barca shirt and started scoring La Liga? Despite having already scored so many goals for us in one of the most competitive leagues in the world AND having scored goals in the World Cup?? That's ridiculous and you know it, the only thing that changed is that he started playing for a better team which made it even easier for him to show case his blatantly world class talents. Anyway, this has been done to death a number of times and whilst everyone is of course entitled to an opinion you are so clearly wrong.
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Ruined a good thread with yet another 'what makes a WC player' debate....
Back to topic, the team is the most important thing but there's no getting away from the fact that money buys quality. Unfortunately people will be quoting Leicester for the next 50 years.
Every team needs 2-3 top top players to win games, like the one we saw yesterday.
Klaven was mentioned as a good buy by the OP, yet he cost us yesterday. Karius was cheap, and so far it hasn't worked out. I'm not saying spending 3 times more would have, but it's more likely to have and we'd have points on the board.
Madrid have their blips, but they've also just won their 10th European Cup.
We shouldn't buy players for the 'name' or price-tag, but if 2 players are available, we should buy the best of the 2, not the best value. Klopp splashed out on Mane and look at the results. I just hope he's given the funds he needs to take the team to the next level. As someone mentioned, Klopp's the most important signing we could've made.
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Ruined a good thread with yet another 'what makes a WC player' debate....
Back to topic, the team is the most important thing but there's no getting away from the fact that money buys quality. Unfortunately people will be quoting Leicester for the next 50 years.
Every team needs 2-3 top top players to win games, like the one we saw yesterday.
Klaven was mentioned as a good buy by the OP, yet he cost us yesterday. Karius was cheap, and so far it hasn't worked out. I'm not saying spending 3 times more would have, but it's more likely to have and we'd have points on the board.
Madrid have their blips, but they've also just won their 10th European Cup.
We shouldn't buy players for the 'name' or price-tag, but if 2 players are available, we should buy the best of the 2, not the best value. Klopp splashed out on Mane and look at the results. I just hope he's given the funds he needs to take the team to the next level. As someone mentioned, Klopp's the most important signing we could've made. Even the most expensive players make mistake every now and then, didn't De Gea make mistakes or Bravo of City or Stones, I think the most expensive CB in the world, do you know how many mistakes he did? I agree the more expensive the player the better he is likely to be, but value is also important as some players are well overpriced.
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Yes I agree.
The only other way would be if we got new owners who acted like Citeh's did, i-e. paid top wages that pursuaded the superstars to sign for the club.
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