KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Over the top criticism of Karius.

Migns positioning at times is also bloody awful Vish so I wouldn't be so sure of him saving that FK.

He been shocking. Hasn't made any saves yet that you wouldn't expect a decent keeper to make.

He is young. He is new and he isn't mignolet. If he's still doing this next season then maybe cut our losses and sign a better keeper.

I don't agree with all the criticism but I wouldn't expect any different from the English press. We do it all the time. We'd rather see a failure than a success.

And if Lalanna had done his job and jumped, there's no save to make.

I was a little surprised that Karius didn't stay central but his wall was set up correctly to protect that side of the goal. The ball was also bending away from him so made it harder to save. It's not like the ball went straight into the middle of the goal and he let it in!

I also can't help thinking had that been against anyone else, we'd be lauding the brilliance of the latest flavour of the month, Payet, and not skating the keeper.

I always made sure i knew if he was right footer or a freak Wilki before setting myself.

And you need to go further across when it's that far out with him having more time to get the ball up and down,you can rely more on your wall when the FK is closer.

Don't people think there are different types of mistakes, the mistakes this feller is making I don't know how you can improve on, how do you make your wrists stronger to stop a half hit hard shot like that free kick which by the way was in the middle of the goal and not even in the corner stop going past you, basic goalkeeping duties he's failing on which is a worry....

Middle my arse.

If I'm Jurgen Klopp then yes I call out a fukkin failure like Neville and about time someone put him in his place. What happened at Valencia Neville?Didnt last 28 games?oohh look at me I'm paid to watch millions of replays and "explain" what players are doing wrong,but when asked to do it where it counts,gets found wanting. I'm behind Klopp every time he calls out these media w@nkers and long may it continue.

If you tot up the mistakes made by individual players against West Ham then Karius comes pretty low down the list.

The bigger problem is we don't have anyone who wants to step up and captain the team.

Any captain worth his salt would have told the team to defend when we were 3-1 up vs Bournemouth, what did Henderson do? Feck all.

Same vs West Ham, we were 1-0 up, who was marshalling the team, slower down the play to frustrate West Ham.

Not Henderson, he shirks in the background, Henderson should be stepping up to protect Karius, not leaving him in the lurch.

Exactly Kano. Those fillers have the easiest job in football. I hope more players and managers call these feckers out now too.

At least Neville put his neck on the line unlike our Carra who seems content to just sit in his warm studio and spout shitte.