I think Clubs like Celtic, Ajax, Benfica, Liverpool and Probably Arsenal in that too are famous old Clubs who when it comes to Champions League they are only in it for appearance reasons. If they get a kind draw then they may got the odd chance to get out of the group but first decent Club they come up against then it's goodbye for another season or in Liverpool and Spurs case every three or four seasons. For this reason it's hard to judge Rodgers as a failure because Celtic are never going to be any different in the Champions League. I think it's far better for those Clubs mentioned to concentrate on domestic stuff and maybe pick up a Europa League which is a fairer judgement...
Last edited by Spangles7; 24/11/16 08:55 PM.