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Come on lads, don't be too harsh on Red Scouser, he must be absolutely gutted with how well we are playing and our league position.
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Just a quick google Klopp 10/11 season came back 4 times from losing positions Klopp 11/12 Season came back 3 times from losing positions(won the league) Klopp since joining Liverpool has the best record of comebacks in that period since he started with coming back from losing position happening 5 times http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/klopps-liverpool-pochettinos-tottenham-epl-comeback-kings/Rodgers 13/14 Had 1 comeback from losing position(2nd in league) 14/15 4 comebacks from losing position I don't think it's right to compare Rodgers with Klopp, it is unfair because the level is completely different. Klopp is world class while Rodgers is a good average manager for average clubs.
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Just a quick google Klopp 10/11 season came back 4 times from losing positions Klopp 11/12 Season came back 3 times from losing positions(won the league) Klopp since joining Liverpool has the best record of comebacks in that period since he started with coming back from losing position happening 5 times http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/klopps-liverpool-pochettinos-tottenham-epl-comeback-kings/Rodgers 13/14 Had 1 comeback from losing position(2nd in league) 14/15 4 comebacks from losing position I don't think it's right to compare Rodgers with Klopp, it is unfair because the level is completely different. Klopp is world class while Rodgers is a good average manager for average clubs. Not much wrong with that statement. The club is in a good place right now, we are playing beautiful exciting football, we have a manager that is doing well. He has a bond with the players, the supporters absolutely love him. I think back to the day he joined our club and it just makes me so happy. I am really enjoying football right now, it feels good. So it beggars belief that we have a supporter who likes to take little sly digs at the manager when he can. The reason because, the fans love him more than they ever did Brendan and he can't handle it, so acts like a jealous ex girlfriend Go on other fans forums and see what they say about Klopp. There is no where near the negativity that this supporter posts about his own manager and they are opposition fans
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. We are playing the best football in the EPL right now and we have now a style of play which is all tactics. What do you know about tactics? The great tactician Rodgers is in the Scotish league, nowhere near Klopp, he has had one good season in his career finishing second, that's about it. If he is such a great tactician, how come none of City, Chelsea, United took him, they all changed managers and he was available? Sorry mate, your footballing knowledge is very poor. I don't need to be an expert on football tactics. Just like you don't need to be expert to spot the difference between a target man striker and a poacher. Same with the style of manager.
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Klopp is a top motivator and our style of play this season has been too much to handle for most teams. No doubt one of the top football managers in the world. My only question mark I have with Klopp is that I don't know whether he has that tactical flair to tweak a system during a match or adapt our style of play against an opponent. Having seen Tuchel gift us the match last season because he refused to change their style of play even in the final minutes, I have a feeling Klopp may be of the same mould (although better).
Also, it's good to see Sturridge looking like he is getting on fine even though he hasn't played every match. He's been particularly unlucky this season to not have scored. I think this is dreamt up as well. Every manager gets outsmarted, but the better ones not as often. Show me a pattern in matches where Klopp does not have a good tactical know how to change a game? If I probably went through all the matches last season I could probably see some criticism, baring in mind this was his first season in a new league. I cannot understand how any manager with the record that Klopp has with the limited resources he has had over his career has a limitation with his tactical know how. You don't get to 2 CL finals, win the German League against the odds with a tactical limitation. It's nonsense talk Klopp has very good tactical know how and I would say he is one of the best managers in the world but I wouldn't say he is one of the best tacticians in the world. Klopp is a motivator, not a tactician. There are differences in how a manager approaches problems and Klopp isn't a tactician that's not what he is about. Maybe you mean he is more of a strategist than a tactician. He is more long term than one off pony like Brendan. Is this what you mean? Klopp builds his team to play a certain way and he will try and get every drop out of every player. He excels in overachieving against clubs with greater resources. He is not a tactician. He doesn't primarily change his tactics to get the best out of his players. He gets players who fit his style of player and being a top motivator gets the best out of the players. Hence not a tactician.
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. And you take any chance to have a dig, which is why you get so much stick. Klopp has been criticized on here including by me. But when it's warranted not at every oppertunity like you take. I've no doubt you'd criticize the way he wipes his arse if we found out how he did it! To call him 'Klopp the motivator' is such a transparent dig and very disrespectful. You don't win what he has and get where he has by being a motivator first and foremost as you suggest. If you think you can then you know less than I already thought you did. To even think Rodgers was a good tactician again points to you knowing very little and suggests that your hard on for him is getting in your eyes. I could count the number of times he changed a game tactically on a fingrless hand! He's get Mario and plays the same. He gets Benteke and plays the same. He doesn't change a failing system until it's too late. The list goes on. What a load of tripe. Rodgers did change his style of play and system when Benteke came in. However to get so wound up about me stating obvious style differences between managers makes me think you're probably best getting off this forum because if we can't even have a discussion about our manager in case I even hint a bad word then this is probably not the place for you.
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Although ‘comebacks’ were perhaps a small part of Rodgers' Liverpool’s difficulties, the infrequency of turning games around points to Rodgers’ stubbornness in player selections and his inability to manage risk/reward situations. His continued failure to motivate and inspire his team or tactically outmanoeuvre the opposition in times of adversity was the reason he lost his job. Yes partly. As a tactician you are judged on stuff like you mentioned and you've got to have a motivated team to play to your best.
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. And you take any chance to have a dig, which is why you get so much stick. Klopp has been criticized on here including by me. But when it's warranted not at every oppertunity like you take. I've no doubt you'd criticize the way he wipes his arse if we found out how he did it! To call him 'Klopp the motivator' is such a transparent dig and very disrespectful. You don't win what he has and get where he has by being a motivator first and foremost as you suggest. If you think you can then you know less than I already thought you did. To even think Rodgers was a good tactician again points to you knowing very little and suggests that your hard on for him is getting in your eyes. I could count the number of times he changed a game tactically on a fingrless hand! He's get Mario and plays the same. He gets Benteke and plays the same. He doesn't change a failing system until it's too late. The list goes on. What a load of tripe. Rodgers did change his style of play and system when Benteke came in. However to get so wound up about me stating obvious style differences between managers makes me think you're probably best getting off this forum because if we can't even have a discussion about our manager in case I even hint a bad word then this is probably not the place for you. Hahaha. A little touchy there our resident wum? There is no 'just a hint' of criticism from you. It's dig after dig after dig. Always trying to find something about Klopp that makes your lover look better. Lets take your pathetic attempt with the thread the other week asking if Klopp deserved to be nominated for the manager award thingy. Didn't go the way you wanted hey? You were no doubt praying we'd all say no so in you screwed up little head, it'd mean Brenda was better. Anyway. You continue with your bitter little crusade all you want. But don't go crying like a little girl when you get called out for it. If you can't then maybe you should take a bit of your own advice?
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. And you take any chance to have a dig, which is why you get so much stick. Klopp has been criticized on here including by me. But when it's warranted not at every oppertunity like you take. I've no doubt you'd criticize the way he wipes his arse if we found out how he did it! To call him 'Klopp the motivator' is such a transparent dig and very disrespectful. You don't win what he has and get where he has by being a motivator first and foremost as you suggest. If you think you can then you know less than I already thought you did. To even think Rodgers was a good tactician again points to you knowing very little and suggests that your hard on for him is getting in your eyes. I could count the number of times he changed a game tactically on a fingrless hand! He's get Mario and plays the same. He gets Benteke and plays the same. He doesn't change a failing system until it's too late. The list goes on. However to get so wound up about me stating obvious style differences between managers makes me think you're probably best getting off this forum because if we can't even have a discussion about our manager in case I even hint a bad word then this is probably not the place for you. Which failed.......... I'm lost
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I can't even remember the change! Seemed to me that he expected Ben to play like Suarez just like he did with Mario. No wingers or crosses or getting the ball up to him at all.
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