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Klopp is a top motivator and our style of play this season has been too much to handle for most teams. No doubt one of the top football managers in the world. My only question mark I have with Klopp is that I don't know whether he has that tactical flair to tweak a system during a match or adapt our style of play against an opponent. Having seen Tuchel gift us the match last season because he refused to change their style of play even in the final minutes, I have a feeling Klopp may be of the same mould (although better).
Also, it's good to see Sturridge looking like he is getting on fine even though he hasn't played every match. He's been particularly unlucky this season to not have scored. I think this is dreamt up as well. Every manager gets outsmarted, but the better ones not as often. Show me a pattern in matches where Klopp does not have a good tactical know how to change a game? If I probably went through all the matches last season I could probably see some criticism, baring in mind this was his first season in a new league. I cannot understand how any manager with the record that Klopp has with the limited resources he has had over his career has a limitation with his tactical know how. You don't get to 2 CL finals, win the German League against the odds with a tactical limitation. It's nonsense talk Klopp has very good tactical know how and I would say he is one of the best managers in the world but I wouldn't say he is one of the best tacticians in the world. Klopp is a motivator, not a tactician. There are differences in how a manager approaches problems and Klopp isn't a tactician that's not what he is about.
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it.
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. We are playing the best football in the EPL right now and we have now a style of play which is all tactics. What do you know about tactics? The great tactician Rodgers is in the Scotish league, nowhere near Klopp, he has had one good season in his career finishing second, that's about it. If he is such a great tactician, how come none of City, Chelsea, United took him, they all changed managers and he was available? Sorry mate, your footballing knowledge is very poor.
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Klopp is a top motivator and our style of play this season has been too much to handle for most teams. No doubt one of the top football managers in the world. My only question mark I have with Klopp is that I don't know whether he has that tactical flair to tweak a system during a match or adapt our style of play against an opponent. Having seen Tuchel gift us the match last season because he refused to change their style of play even in the final minutes, I have a feeling Klopp may be of the same mould (although better).
Also, it's good to see Sturridge looking like he is getting on fine even though he hasn't played every match. He's been particularly unlucky this season to not have scored. I think this is dreamt up as well. Every manager gets outsmarted, but the better ones not as often. Show me a pattern in matches where Klopp does not have a good tactical know how to change a game? If I probably went through all the matches last season I could probably see some criticism, baring in mind this was his first season in a new league. I cannot understand how any manager with the record that Klopp has with the limited resources he has had over his career has a limitation with his tactical know how. You don't get to 2 CL finals, win the German League against the odds with a tactical limitation. It's nonsense talk Klopp has very good tactical know how and I would say he is one of the best managers in the world but I wouldn't say he is one of the best tacticians in the world. Klopp is a motivator, not a tactician. There are differences in how a manager approaches problems and Klopp isn't a tactician that's not what he is about. Maybe you mean he is more of a strategist than a tactician. He is more long term than one off pony like Brendan. Is this what you mean?
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And also I don't know how Klopp will deal with playing so many matches in such a short time period over the Christmas time. I don't think we will be able to play with the same intensity. So it will be a strategic test for Klopp as well. Are you sure that's your criticism, remember last season when he tweaked the system at saint mary's and we won 6-1? If you mean make drastic changes during a match, then it kind of questions your preparation, training, belief in your players. He's brought on strikers later on in matches this season, different personnel such as wijnaldum to stabilize, I know I said I give the benefit of the doubt but I think you dreamt up that criticism. Yes our blood is thicker because it's cold, so I think it's fair point to play with the same intensity we might find it harder. That 6-1 was a while ago and in the League Cup with lots of changes from the typical starting 11. The fact that you have had to use this as an example only illuminates my argument. With Benitez or Rodgers sometimes you would be unsure about a substitution because on the face of it, it doesn't make sense. But that's because they will tweak the system or switch up their style of play and on occasions tactical changes such as these have won us matches. You seem to be clutching at straws. Very rarely did we come back when we were losing under Brendan Rodgers. 'In the 2012/13 season, out of the 42 available points to gain when conceding first, Liverpool won 16 points. In the 2013/14 season, out of the 30 available points to gain when conceding first, Liverpool won 12 points. In the 2014/15 season, out of the 33 available points to gain when conceding first, Liverpool won just 4 points. Therefore, in total when conceding first Liverpool have won 32 points out of an available 105 (which equates to 30%). Now, even in seasons of varying success when finishing 7th, 2nd, and 6th it is clear that under Rodgers, comebacks have become a thing of the past. To put this into perspective, during Benitez’s successful 2008/09 season in charge Liverpool came from behind to win more games than Rodgers’ has achieved in over three years at the club. With rose-tinted glasses firmly in place memorable wins against Manchester City, United, Boro, Wigan and Portsmouth defined a squad that turned defeat into victory time and time again. Yet, these unforgettable turnarounds seem disconcertingly impossible in the Rodgers’ era. A notion that is surely representative of a larger struggle for Rodgers to effectively manage in high-risk tactical areas.'
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Although ‘comebacks’ were perhaps a small part of Rodgers' Liverpool’s difficulties, the infrequency of turning games around points to Rodgers’ stubbornness in player selections and his inability to manage risk/reward situations. His continued failure to motivate and inspire his team or tactically outmanoeuvre the opposition in times of adversity was the reason he lost his job.
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Exactly Paul. Motivation will only get you so far as Harry Redkanpp will tell you! Winning the league in Germany will have taken a lot more than just being a good motivator that's for sure.
But this is RS we're talking to here so we shouldn't expect anything mo0re than his usual veiled digs at Klopp. Never said he was just a very good motivator or compared him to the likes of Harry Redknapp. Any hint of criticism about Klopp and people like you and others just run with it. And you take any chance to have a dig, which is why you get so much stick. Klopp has been criticized on here including by me. But when it's warranted not at every oppertunity like you take. I've no doubt you'd criticize the way he wipes his arse if we found out how he did it! To call him 'Klopp the motivator' is such a transparent dig and very disrespectful. You don't win what he has and get where he has by being a motivator first and foremost as you suggest. If you think you can then you know less than I already thought you did. To even think Rodgers was a good tactician again points to you knowing very little and suggests that your hard on for him is getting in your eyes. I could count the number of times he changed a game tactically on a fingrless hand! He's get Mario and plays the same. He gets Benteke and plays the same. He doesn't change a failing system until it's too late. The list goes on.
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You can also ask Watford's and Reading's fans what they think of Brendan...
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Are you sure that's your criticism, remember last season when he tweaked the system at saint mary's and we won 6-1? If you mean make drastic changes during a match, then it kind of questions your preparation, training, belief in your players. He's brought on strikers later on in matches this season, different personnel such as wijnaldum to stabilize, I know I said I give the benefit of the doubt but I think you dreamt up that criticism.
Yes our blood is thicker because it's cold, so I think it's fair point to play with the same intensity we might find it harder.
That 6-1 was a while ago and in the League Cup with lots of changes from the typical starting 11. The fact that you have had to use this as an example only illuminates my argument.With Benitez or Rodgers sometimes you would be unsure about a substitution because on the face of it, it doesn't make sense. But that's because they will tweak the system or switch up their style of play and on occasions tactical changes such as these have won us matches. swansea away and that's good because I don't mind being wrong sure you might still have a fair point however klopp hasn't been here as long as benitez -therefore hasn't had as many matches say in the CL to make substitutions for the sake of it. also hasn't had the chance to build up squad depth like both managers you've mentioned
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Just a quick google Klopp 10/11 season came back 4 times from losing positions Klopp 11/12 Season came back 3 times from losing positions(won the league) Klopp since joining Liverpool has the best record of comebacks in that period since he started with coming back from losing position happening 5 times http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/klopps-liverpool-pochettinos-tottenham-epl-comeback-kings/Rodgers 13/14 Had 1 comeback from losing position(2nd in league) 14/15 4 comebacks from losing position
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