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Rodgers was an embarrassment. David Brent , complete bs merchant God riddance Very harsh. I agree, i'm not a fan of BR and got sick of his BS outstanding after match explanations, but he got us to within a few points of winning our first PL, he was concerned about polish and presentation/spin, most managers are now, but that does not get a team to 2nd place in the PL over a season, he was lucky to have a world class player in Suarez, but it takes more than luck to do what he did.
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Rodgers was an embarrassment. David Brent , complete bs merchant God riddance Very harsh. I agree, i'm not a fan of BR and got sick of his BS outstanding after match explanations, but he got us to within a few points of winning our first PL, he was concerned about polish and presentation/spin, most managers are now, but that does not get a team to 2nd place in the PL over a season, he was lucky to have a world class player in Suarez, but it takes more than luck to do what he did. He was an above average manager but nowhere great. Look at Ranierri, would you call him great? I won't despite him having one great season.
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Rodgers was an embarrassment. David Brent , complete bs merchant God riddance Very harsh. I agree, i'm not a fan of BR and got sick of his BS outstanding after match explanations, but he got us to within a few points of winning our first PL, he was concerned about polish and presentation/spin, most managers are now, but that does not get a team to 2nd place in the PL over a season, he was lucky to have a world class player in Suarez, but it takes more than luck to do what he did. He was an above average manager but nowhere great. Look at Ranierri, would you call him great? I won't despite him having one great season. think he's probably a great going on modern ways people think, you only have to win one major trophy and your automatically escalated to great or Legend status, look at Gerrard at Liverpool with his one major...
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Rodgers was an embarrassment. David Brent , complete bs merchant God riddance Very harsh. I agree, i'm not a fan of BR and got sick of his BS outstanding after match explanations, but he got us to within a few points of winning our first PL, he was concerned about polish and presentation/spin, most managers are now, but that does not get a team to 2nd place in the PL over a season, he was lucky to have a world class player in Suarez, but it takes more than luck to do what he did. He was an above average manager but nowhere great. Look at Ranierri, would you call him great? I won't despite him having one great season. I never called Rodgers great, he isn't a great manager, I was just replying to the comment: 'Rodgers was an embarrassment. David Brent , complete bs merchant God riddance'which I think was unfair. Ranieri is an interesting one, what he achieved with the Leicester team in the modern era is without precedent and if anyone would have said that could have happened they would have been locked up. The only thing I can remember like that is when Clough brought Forest up to Division 1 and won the league then the European Cup, but that was a totally different era when money did not dominate the league in the same way. For me a great manager wins trophies over a period of time, rebuilds teams, changes styles, not just with the top teams and unlimited funds, so you are looking at the likes of Shankly/Paisley/Clough/Fergy/Capello/Ancelotti/Mourinho
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I never called Rodgers great, he isn't a great manager, I was just replying to the comment:
'Rodgers was an embarrassment. David Brent , complete bs merchant God riddance'
which I think was unfair.
Ranieri is an interesting one, what he achieved with the Leicester team in the modern era is without precedent and if anyone would have said that could have happened they would have been locked up. The only thing I can remember like that is when Clough brought Forest up to Division 1 and won the league then the European Cup, but that was a totally different era when money did not dominate the league in the same way.
For me a great manager wins trophies over a period of time, rebuilds teams, changes styles, not just with the top teams and unlimited funds, so you are looking at the likes of Shankly/Paisley/Clough/Fergy/Capello/Ancelotti/Mourinho
Agree with you and at a lower level would add Dalglish in as he won quite a few trophies with us, Blackburn and even recently when we won the league cup despite him coming out of retirement.
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I agree with those manager names regarded as the greatest but I do think the likes of Cloughie, Fergie, and ofcorse Shanks might be regarded by most as more special as the other managers all built from a positions of strenghth whereas the three mentioned started from scratch at took there clubs to the top, one manager who should also be there is the great Jock Stein...
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I agree with those manager names regarded as the greatest but I do think the likes of Cloughie, Fergie, and ofcorse Shanks might be regarded by most as more special as the other managers all built from a positions of strenghth whereas the three mentioned started from scratch at took there clubs to the top, one manager who should also be there is the great Jock Stein... I agree, I was only giving examples of great managers, not listing them all, people like Trappatoni/Michels/Sacchi would be on list. The big achievement for Jock Stein was winning the European Cup with a team that were born within 25 miles of Glasgow, which was amazing, but from an era I do not really know, it's hard to quantify his Scottish success because there was not the domestic competition, unlike leagues in Italy/England/Spain etc.
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I never called Rodgers great, he isn't a great manager, I was just replying to the comment:
'Rodgers was an embarrassment. David Brent , complete bs merchant God riddance'
which I think was unfair.
Ranieri is an interesting one, what he achieved with the Leicester team in the modern era is without precedent and if anyone would have said that could have happened they would have been locked up. The only thing I can remember like that is when Clough brought Forest up to Division 1 and won the league then the European Cup, but that was a totally different era when money did not dominate the league in the same way.
For me a great manager wins trophies over a period of time, rebuilds teams, changes styles, not just with the top teams and unlimited funds, so you are looking at the likes of Shankly/Paisley/Clough/Fergy/Capello/Ancelotti/Mourinho
Agree with you and at a lower level would add Dalglish in as he won quite a few trophies with us, Blackburn and even recently when we won the league cup despite him coming out of retirement. As a manager I'm not sure you can add Dalglish to the great managers, he took over a very good Liverpool team, spent allot of money and brought in some great players in Aldridge/Barnes/Beardsley, but in the end he left Liverpool a weaker team and it was the start of our demise, obviously Hillsborough had a massive impact on him and the club, so it is hard to quantify as he left before he would of. What he did for Blackburn was impressive, but it was based on spending the largest transfers ever seen in the PL at the time, with the like of Shearer/Sutton similar to what Chelsea and now City are doing now. He quickly built a team and then left, he did not have the longevity a great manager should have.
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