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So basically Vish you are saying the more you watch footbalk on TV the less you want stadium development at anfield. I am older than you I presume so I might overall have watched more but maybe not by sheer short term volume you have exceeded my total and thus have the no stadium development desire. So I guess if I upped my total I might start to want anfield to be smaller of to halt all future development. Interesting
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And by the way shame about not being invited to Mauritius were I over there watching hull vs Bournemouth would not be my preference I can tell you that for certain
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So basically Vish you are saying the more you watch footbalk on TV the less you want stadium development at anfield. I am older than you I presume so I might overall have watched more but maybe not by sheer short term volume you have exceeded my total and thus have the no stadium development desire. So I guess if I upped my total I might start to want anfield to be smaller of to halt all future development. Interesting When did i say that? What i said is that the brand you talk about is built on results and history not how shiny is the stadium. Quality of the stadium is for match going fans, if they do not want to pay for a shinny product then it means they are not too interested. Would you pay more to be in a nicer stadium?
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And by the way shame about not being invited to Mauritius were I over there watching hull vs Bournemouth would not be my preference I can tell you that for certain Sometimes LFC plays at 3 pm on saturday you know?
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And by the way shame about not being invited to Mauritius were I over there watching hull vs Bournemouth would not be my preference I can tell you that for certain Sometimes LFC plays at 3 pm on saturday you know? I do yes having watched the Reds at anfield since 1963 little facts like that tend to hold in the memory
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So basically Vish you are saying the more you watch footbalk on TV the less you want stadium development at anfield. I am older than you I presume so I might overall have watched more but maybe not by sheer short term volume you have exceeded my total and thus have the no stadium development desire. So I guess if I upped my total I might start to want anfield to be smaller of to halt all future development. Interesting When did i say that? What i said is that the brand you talk about is built on results and history not how shiny is the stadium. Quality of the stadium is for match going fans, if they do not want to pay for a shinny product then it means they are not too interested. Would you pay more to be in a nicer stadium? They all go together on field success history stadium it's part of the overall package all the worlds very top clubs have these elements we are in danger of falling behind and never being in that echelon. I would also add Liverpool FC are in the position they are in because of the fans as well the culture I grew up with shankly the kop the scarves the craic the Scouse humour from the 60's 70,s and 80,s that made Liverpool the world wide brand it was not just winning titles. I know this Vish because I was there I say to this day we won the 2005 champions league because of the fans no one will convince me otherwise plus too many other occasions to mention. Your idea it's simply winning football games is only part of the history of LFC
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So basically Vish you are saying the more you watch footbalk on TV the less you want stadium development at anfield. I am older than you I presume so I might overall have watched more but maybe not by sheer short term volume you have exceeded my total and thus have the no stadium development desire. So I guess if I upped my total I might start to want anfield to be smaller of to halt all future development. Interesting When did i say that? What i said is that the brand you talk about is built on results and history not how shiny is the stadium. Quality of the stadium is for match going fans, if they do not want to pay for a shinny product then it means they are not too interested. Would you pay more to be in a nicer stadium? They all go together on field success history stadium it's part of the overall package all the worlds very top clubs have these elements we are in danger of falling behind and never being in that echelon. I would also add Liverpool FC are in the position they are in because of the fans as well the culture I grew up with shankly the kop the scarves the craic the Scouse humour from the 60's 70,s and 80,s that made Liverpool the world wide brand it was not just winning titles. I know this Vish because I was there I say to this day we won the 2005 champions league because of the fans no one will convince me otherwise plus too many other occasions to mention. Your idea it's simply winning football games is only part of the history of LFC The international brand was built through success, this is why Chelsea has been better than us in building theirs in the last decade. Their small stadium didn't prevent them doing it. Everybody knows Anfield and the Kop, worldwide, you change this you lose a big share of your brand value. The Kop has a huge history and brand which is connected to Anfield, you just want more seats so that the ticket prices go down with a bigger supply.
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Well I think those of us who want Liverpool to play in a big modern stadium (in anfield incidently 100 yards from the existing ground) have lost (not the argument) but lost the battle simply because we have remote owners who are exploiting the club and its history. What we are talking about in this thread is extending anfield road now even that it seems is off limits all FSG have done is replace the old wooden main stand which was derelict and falling apart. Yes success matters but it's not the only demonimator Chelsea's brand has increased from what they were but they are still nowhere near say Manchester United nor will they ever be no matter what they win. Chelsea also are considering a new stadium from what I understand. So which ever way you look at it off field we are going nowhere whatever Klopp does is against that depressing situation
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Well I think those of us who want Liverpool to play in a big modern stadium (in anfield incidently 100 yards from the existing ground) have lost (not the argument) but lost the battle simply because we have remote owners who are exploiting the club and its history. What we are talking about in this thread is extending anfield road now even that it seems is off limits all FSG have done is replace the old wooden main stand which was derelict and falling apart. Yes success matters but it's not the only demonimator Chelsea's brand has increased from what they were but they are still nowhere near say Manchester United nor will they ever be no matter what they win. Chelsea also are considering a new stadium from what I understand. So which ever way you look at it off field we are going nowhere whatever Klopp does is against that depressing situation United always had a bigger stadium than us, but our brand was as big if not bigger in the 80s, why, because of results. They became the biggest club, not because of their stadium but because of their success under Ferguson. Newcastle has the 2nd biggest club stadium in England and where are they? Don't tell me we shouldn't compare with Newcastle just to suit your argument because according to you the stadium makes the difference. No the difference is success on the pitch but you need to have a decent capacity stadium with enough corporate seats for acceptable gate revenue.
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Well Vish your last sentence defeats your own argument yes we need to have a decent capacity stadium. Re old Trafford I remember in the 80,s their capacity was broadly as ours yes the success under Ferguson was a factor but so was the development of their infrastructure I remember United being one of the first clubs to introduce merchandising in a major way. This was all part of their game plan and I was at the Rick parry meeting questioning was about the need for Liverpool to develop a new stadium to compete with Man united nothing has changed from that situation it's not a case we no longer need a new stadium it's we can't afford one or our owners won't take the financial risk. But it's worse than that now even redeveloping anfield is now on hold the sum extent of FSG,s efforts is to replace the main stand.
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