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you may be right there has been no real transformation on the pitch, but then he's only had what feels like just under 1 season!..it may prove today we struggle for consistency, I know every game counts as Dunk was saying (even more so if you're challenging, which in some seasons you might have to do to make the places) but it's matches 8 to 30 where we need to string results together, I don't care about the start or the finish, yes it's easy to say let's all be greedy lets win them all, but that's the marker for me.
ok then explain in your own words how we made 2 cup finals, don't talk about motivator, you can be the best motivator in the world and not take liverpool as far in a european competition as we have for a number of seasons.
Say there's 90 clubs in league club Liverpool are in the top 6 clubs on quality and we took that league cup quite seriously so we were in with chance like we would have been with Rodgers. Europa, I don't know how mnay teams there are, say 64 from the group stage including Champions league drop outs. We must be in the top 10 overall on quality. And when we beat Utd there was only Dortmund better than us. We also rode our luck a bit in the semis. So no miracles, Klopp did well with a competitive squad. We didn't win anything though, like when Rodgers got us to two semi-finals and finished 6th in 14/15 (not 8th like Klopp did after reaching two finals). then how did we finish 8th in the league, not good enough squad depth?
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Brendan's first 8 games of last season - W3, D3, L2 - Pos. 10th
Klopp's first 8 games of last season - W3, D3, L2 - Pos. 9th
Yeah sure we did well in the cups, no doubt under Brendan we would have bombed and went out early, but I feel we would have finished higher than 8th in the league. Klopp was desperate for a cup win in his first season, Brendan wanted top 4.
We would have still come out with the same end result had Brendan been here instead of Klopp ie winning nothing, but the most important thing we would have had is stability.
Everyone on here knows I don't like Brendan, but I'm not going to pretend that Klopp is the messiah, in fact I actually think we've got him on a downward trajectory and not on the top of his game. I love Klopp's energy and his passion, but I also don't think he gets the club and I'm not about to jump on the Klopp messiah bandwagon just because he touched the sign in a friendly match.
It's Unfair to compare Brendan's first 8games of his last season and klopps first 8games Why not do both of the first seasons games. Both took over squads they inherited and didn't want. W2 D3 L3 and 11th. You should know by now that people will compare what they want to make their argument look right. For me. This is klopps first season. Last season was 8 games old and no pre season. No transfers. Took over a team who were down and out. I don't know how people are trying to compare the reign of a guy who was here for 3 years with a guy who has been here less than 1 Agree.
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For me. This is klopps first season. Last season was 8 games old and no pre season. No transfers. Took over a team who were down and out.
I don't know how people are trying to compare the reign of a guy who was here for 3 years with a guy who has been here less than 1
Agree. that's making excuses apparently, even though he is getting on with it. I just think some people have an agenda and that's to be as heavily critical as possible because they wanted BR to remain in charge.
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Yeah they do Torres and our friend RS has the biggest agenda despite his proclaimed liking of Klopp.
I'd like to add though that there's no need for these sort of threads aimed at taking the p!ss out of Rodgers. We've had a few now and I think it's time we all moved on.
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Yeah they do Torres and our friend RS has the biggest agenda despite his proclaimed liking of Klopp.
I'd like to add though that there's no need for these sort of threads aimed at taking the p!ss out of Rodgers. We've had a few now and I think it's time we all moved on. I don't think anyone is making these threads to laugh at rodgers. He is a decent guy and anyone who meets him says he's a really nice fella. He tried his best for us and we appreciated it. These threads are made to laugh at RS because he undoubtedly has a giant tattoo of brendan on his back.
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Yeah they do Torres and our friend RS has the biggest agenda despite his proclaimed liking of Klopp.
I'd like to add though that there's no need for these sort of threads aimed at taking the p!ss out of Rodgers. We've had a few now and I think it's time we all moved on. I don't think anyone is making these threads to laugh at rodgers. He is a decent guy and anyone who meets him says he's a really nice fella. He tried his best for us and we appreciated it. These threads are made to laugh at RS because he undoubtedly has a giant tattoo of brendan on his back. He'll be on tattoo fixers soon then getting it covered with a Klopp one!
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Yeah they do Torres and our friend RS has the biggest agenda despite his proclaimed liking of Klopp.
I'd like to add though that there's no need for these sort of threads aimed at taking the p!ss out of Rodgers. We've had a few now and I think it's time we all moved on. I don't think anyone is making these threads to laugh at rodgers. He is a decent guy and anyone who meets him says he's a really nice fella. He tried his best for us and we appreciated it. These threads are made to laugh at RS because he undoubtedly has a giant tattoo of brendan on his back. He'll be on tattoo fixers soon then getting it covered with a Klopp one! Nah he'll just go back to get the teeth more prominent
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you may be right there has been no real transformation on the pitch, but then he's only had what feels like just under 1 season!..it may prove today we struggle for consistency, I know every game counts as Dunk was saying (even more so if you're challenging, which in some seasons you might have to do to make the places) but it's matches 8 to 30 where we need to string results together, I don't care about the start or the finish, yes it's easy to say let's all be greedy lets win them all, but that's the marker for me.
ok then explain in your own words how we made 2 cup finals, don't talk about motivator, you can be the best motivator in the world and not take liverpool as far in a european competition as we have for a number of seasons.
Say there's 90 clubs in league club Liverpool are in the top 6 clubs on quality and we took that league cup quite seriously so we were in with chance like we would have been with Rodgers. Europa, I don't know how mnay teams there are, say 64 from the group stage including Champions league drop outs. We must be in the top 10 overall on quality. And when we beat Utd there was only Dortmund better than us. We also rode our luck a bit in the semis. So no miracles, Klopp did well with a competitive squad. We didn't win anything though, like when Rodgers got us to two semi-finals and finished 6th in 14/15 (not 8th like Klopp did after reaching two finals). then how did we finish 8th in the league, not good enough squad depth? Inconsistency, new manager, injuries. We under performed in the league last season that's my point.
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Brendan's first 8 games of last season - W3, D3, L2 - Pos. 10th
Klopp's first 8 games of last season - W3, D3, L2 - Pos. 9th
Yeah sure we did well in the cups, no doubt under Brendan we would have bombed and went out early, but I feel we would have finished higher than 8th in the league. Klopp was desperate for a cup win in his first season, Brendan wanted top 4.
We would have still come out with the same end result had Brendan been here instead of Klopp ie winning nothing, but the most important thing we would have had is stability.
Everyone on here knows I don't like Brendan, but I'm not going to pretend that Klopp is the messiah, in fact I actually think we've got him on a downward trajectory and not on the top of his game. I love Klopp's energy and his passion, but I also don't think he gets the club and I'm not about to jump on the Klopp messiah bandwagon just because he touched the sign in a friendly match.
No one is treating Klopp like a messiah. But he has given the place a lift. He has experience at the highest level and that gives us hope. To say we'd have been better off keeping Rodgers for 'stability' is also just laughable. He has given the club a lift yes, but this hasn't transferred to the pitch yet. He does give us stability because we have a settled-ish fan base now and look like we could do something this season. But so far Klopp's record is down on previous managers including Rodgers, whether this is misleading or doesn't tell the full picture for the future it doesn't matter, it's a fact. Oh that old chestnut. That must mean that nearly winning the league was down to Kenny then not Rodgers? And see my previous post and you'll see that Klopp's effect has shown on the pitch. We got more points than we would've averaged under Rodgers based on the first 8 games and a blind man can see that our overall play is so much better. I meant down as in below the levels of previous managers.
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He's not even had a full season with his own players ffs! I can't believe anyone can be this fukking stupid!
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