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Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By my blood is red
Well another money ball project that Klopp has nothing to do with he looks like a poor man's Nanni !.

I don't know anything about this player, however I do know that the market is generally a good judge of a players ability and on that basis a player valued by the market at 10m is not currently at Liverpool quality requirement level. We've squandered hundreds of millions on this level of player since FSG took over in pursuit of a moneyball experiment that has brought us nothing but failure and embarrassment. Signing more of these hopefuls is a NO, NO for me.


Leicester bought Mahrez for £375K and Kante for £5.5 million, so players cannot be judged by price tags and stats alone, that's where Liverpool have gone wrong recently, we need good scouting and knowledge of the player/system to fit into, Benteke looks good on stats but just won't fit into how we want to play, so stats mean nothing.

If Klopp thinks he will fit into his system, we/FSG should back him.

I accept much of what you say there ecnirp, particularly about selecting players to suit our style of play, and of course you cannot judge a players potential impact in your side on cost factors alone, but neither can you rely on lucky hits with mass signing of potentials, and we are the only aspiring top side that does that. All top level clubs except us compete in the market on both fee and wage for proven quality players. Why do they do that? Because on average it pays off. Has our mass prospect approach paid off? No it's a dismal failure. At this point a blind man can see we need to improve the quality of our squad with at least 4 and preferably 5 proven quality players. The moneyball experiment is a gamble that needs to be finally and fully ditched and ditched in this summer window.


I agree the money ball system does not work and we should never have done that, I think that was just FSG trying an American system on Football (dare I say soccer???), the more you spend generally, the more chance the player is going to be better, but big money spent on the wrong player for the wrong system (Benteke) is also a mistake.

My point really is we don't have to spend £40million on every player, Man Utd have done that in recent years and look at them now, we need to choose our players wisely to fit the system/team, I have faith in Klopp and his team to do that, so I just hope FSG leave him to bring in the players he wants, and I think we have to have faith if he doesn't bring in some big marquee players like Reus/Hummels/Goetze etc, he will do what is best for the team.

The other positive thing is that we seem to be playing as a team to a system now (just watched the Dortmund game) and Klopp seems to get the best out of players and improves them (Origi/Lovren/Lalana/Allen etc), Its been a while since we have improved players, the last few years we seem to have signed good players for other teams and they never look the same player at Liverpool.

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Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By my blood is red
Well another money ball project that Klopp has nothing to do with he looks like a poor man's Nanni !.

I don't know anything about this player, however I do know that the market is generally a good judge of a players ability and on that basis a player valued by the market at 10m is not currently at Liverpool quality requirement level. We've squandered hundreds of millions on this level of player since FSG took over in pursuit of a moneyball experiment that has brought us nothing but failure and embarrassment. Signing more of these hopefuls is a NO, NO for me.


Yep, a lot of money was spent on Payet, Kante and Mahrez by WH and Leicester last summer, much more than Benteke...not.

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