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I thought when we bought Benteke we were gonna get minimum of 15 goals from him after watching the way he played for villa and belgium. Unfortunately hes missed far too many easy chances. In fact calling them easy chances is an over estimate because they were open goals. Hes far too static playing up front and it completely disrupts our style of play.
Klopp has given him chances probably some more than other players and he hasnt taken them, thats why he has been shunned out of the team. If you take 2 players with both of them missing chances and one runs and does a lot of movement for the team while the other has no movement and doesnt look interested at times, the player whos a least trying is gonna get in ahead and i think this is what happened in Bentekes case.
Instead of talking to the media about the manager, he should keep his mouth shut and try work harded and get to the level we know he can play
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If Klopsy is such a good manager he should be able to get a tune out of Big Ben, I don't believe Benteke is a lost cause, he was one of the top strikers in the League. The thing which doesn't reflect well on Klopsy is that he seemed to write him off about a week and a half after working with him, surely that's far too short a time to just write somebody of with Bentekes ability. If you look at past players if we took Klopsys way of managing Peter Beardsley would of been out the door and so would Ronaldo if he was manager of United, some players are late bloomers, Benteke for me still has attributes we can utilise and if Klopsy is such a good manager then he should be able to get them out of him... Good managers know what players can and cannot do very quickly, this is wht they are good managers. If Benteke was good he should have at least hit the target when he came one on one with the goalkeeper in the Southampton game. You are talking shyte again as he is giving other players their chance like Origi for example. Benteke is too slow for Klopp's game but I don't think you will understand that.
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Its clear Benteke doesn't figure in Klopps plans long term, so he will be sold in the summer, I just hope we get a decent bid, I don't want him sold off to West Ham for £15 millions, another Andy Carrol where we lose £20 million.
Just because we paid £35mil for Carroll and £32.5mil for Benteke doesn't mean they are worth that amount. We have hugely overpaid for some pretty average players over the years, these two being the prime examples.
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If you have low confidence, you are more likely to miss a chance.
Benteke was playing quite well at the start of the season under Rodgers and we weren't crossing it all the time. Bearing in mind he scored at home to Leicester then missed an open goal in the last minute, scored away at Sunderland then did the same, there isn't an excuse for that. He played the full 90mins in both games, scored the winners so there is no way he should have been short of confidence in those games. He also missed a hatful of chances away at West Ham in the FA Cup, he could haver had a hat trick in the first period of extra time and we should have gone through. Benteke hasn't helped himself but we haven't been that accommodating for him. Even when he scored the winners in 2 or 3 games I still got the sense that he wasn't comfortable in his role.
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Benteke has never really played quite well for us. He's got a few goals but very few stand out performances. All this is, is another dig at Klopp. Nothing more.
And you've not answered my question regarding Rodgers and Mario but that probably doesn't suit your agenda against Klopp. You took lots of digs at Rodgers and so did a lot of others on here. With the same players, results have been very similar between Rodgers and Klopp. I think if you look back, I've defended Rodgers more than most. I even defended you when you first came on when people were slating you for your opinion of Rodgers. Rodgers didn't work out. Plain and simple. All these little digs at Klopp at every opportunity isn't healthy. He'll suffer the same fate as Rodgers if things don't work out as will any manager. You say results have been no better which is true but the signs are there that Klopp will do some good things. For me he has the same players playing better but we still have the same old problem with finishing things off. The players he's been left with aren't really capable of much more and he's no miracle worker. Give him a chance to get his own players in and to get them playing how he wants and then judge, as most did with Rodgers. Yes you have defended Rodgers a bit but as you have said with me there's often a 'but' attached. And yes you have defended me before now and I'm glad that at least some people will accommodate different opinions on here. Klopp isn't the problem. It's not the fact that Rodgers got sacked that frustrates me either. It's the fact that nearly all the criticism of Klopp is off limits on here yet people had a field day criticising Rodgers' every decision. He didn't make full use of £300m, I agree. But some of the other stuff was ridiculous.
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Benteke has never really played quite well for us. He's got a few goals but very few stand out performances. All this is, is another dig at Klopp. Nothing more.
And you've not answered my question regarding Rodgers and Mario but that probably doesn't suit your agenda against Klopp. You took lots of digs at Rodgers and so did a lot of others on here. With the same players, results have been very similar between Rodgers and Klopp. I think if you look back, I've defended Rodgers more than most. I even defended you when you first came on when people were slating you for your opinion of Rodgers. Rodgers didn't work out. Plain and simple. All these little digs at Klopp at every opportunity isn't healthy. He'll suffer the same fate as Rodgers if things don't work out as will any manager. You say results have been no better which is true but the signs are there that Klopp will do some good things. For me he has the same players playing better but we still have the same old problem with finishing things off. The players he's been left with aren't really capable of much more and he's no miracle worker. Give him a chance to get his own players in and to get them playing how he wants and then judge, as most did with Rodgers. Yes you have defended Rodgers a bit but as you have said with me there's often a 'but' attached. And yes you have defended me before now and I'm glad that at least some people will accommodate different opinions on here. Klopp isn't the problem. It's not the fact that Rodgers got sacked that frustrates me either. It's the fact that nearly all the criticism of Klopp is off limits on here yet people had a field day criticising Rodgers' every decision. He didn't make full use of £300m, I agree. But some of the other stuff was ridiculous. Rodgers has left he has nothing to do with this club anymore. Klopp is only in the door and doing all right all things considered. A big part of the reason some people are now criticising Rodgers is because you are comparing him to Klopp at every opportunity. There is mostly never a sensible agurment it is twist everything to make Rodgers look better than Klopp. If you stopped digging yourself into holes then most reasonable people would stop.
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What Paul said. Nothing wrong with criticising Klopp when deserved but your threads aren't deserved it balanced. This comparison between managers is a prime example. Klopp has had 21 games and no transfers to speak of. All the rest had been at the club years.
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Benteke hasn't helped himself but we haven't been that accommodating for him. Even when he scored the winners in 2 or 3 games I still got the sense that he wasn't comfortable in his role. Its not acceptable for a £32.5million striker to be missing the chances he does. It's not like he has been played out on the wing so I can't understand how he isn't comfortable playing up front.
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to be honest, the intrigue and almost disbelief grows in benteke, athletico could swoop for him
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If you have low confidence, you are more likely to miss a chance.
Benteke was playing quite well at the start of the season under Rodgers and we weren't crossing it all the time. Bearing in mind he scored at home to Leicester then missed an open goal in the last minute, scored away at Sunderland then did the same, there isn't an excuse for that. He played the full 90mins in both games, scored the winners so there is no way he should have been short of confidence in those games. He also missed a hatful of chances away at West Ham in the FA Cup, he could haver had a hat trick in the first period of extra time and we should have gone through. Benteke hasn't helped himself but we haven't been that accommodating for him. Even when he scored the winners in 2 or 3 games I still got the sense that he wasn't comfortable in his role. He is not going to be comfortable as he is too heavy and struggles to run
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