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We're the 5th biggest club in the country and if you believe we don't go into a season with one eye on the league then you're wrong. Just because you profess it to be a dead competition and seem to be willing us to be a mid table team, the club will think differently and I for one am glad of that. The day we don't will be the day I give up supporting. Listen I honestly think your letting your heart rule your head on this one and being influenced by a rich history from 30 years ago. I think it would be interesting to hear if others share your view that they still expect Liverpool to win and challenge for Leagues titles with the Big Clubs... Not at all. As I've said, we're the 5th biggest club in the country, we can out spend a lot of clubs and have done so it's not unrealistic at all to think we can at the very least compete for 4th spot and the cups. You may be willing to give up and be happy to be mid table but I'm not. The trouble has been the policies set down and mistakes made by FSG which has held us back. Had we kicked on from the season we were 2nd, I think this season could've been much different for us as could last, even with Rodgers in charge. so how long do you give it then before people admit we are no longer a top aide, what I mean is the excuses people have been making has gone on now for over 20 years so if it hasn't worked by now why do people suddenly think it will work in the next five, ten or twenty years. I just think we had our time and that's what happens. If you look at what's happend over the last 30 years it's a familiar pattern to other once big clubs, 20 odd years ago challenging for titles, 10 years or so challenging for a top four place and last 6 or 7 years ago trying to break into the top 6, it's just been a gradual decline over the years, instead of looking up at clubs Like Chelsea, Arsenal, United and City we are now looking over our shoulders at Clubs like Everton, West Ham, Stoke, Southampton and West Broms...
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We're the 5th biggest club in the country and if you believe we don't go into a season with one eye on the league then you're wrong. Just because you profess it to be a dead competition and seem to be willing us to be a mid table team, the club will think differently and I for one am glad of that. The day we don't will be the day I give up supporting. Listen I honestly think your letting your heart rule your head on this one and being influenced by a rich history from 30 years ago. I think it would be interesting to hear if others share your view that they still expect Liverpool to win and challenge for Leagues titles with the Big Clubs... Not at all. As I've said, we're the 5th biggest club in the country, we can out spend a lot of clubs and have done so it's not unrealistic at all to think we can at the very least compete for 4th spot and the cups. You may be willing to give up and be happy to be mid table but I'm not. The trouble has been the policies set down and mistakes made by FSG which has held us back. Had we kicked on from the season we were 2nd, I think this season could've been much different for us as could last, even with Rodgers in charge. so how long do you give it then before people admit we are no longer a top aide, what I mean is the excuses people have been making has gone on now for over 20 years so if it hasn't worked by now why do people suddenly think it will work in the next five, ten or twenty years. I just think we had our time and that's what happens. If you look at what's happend over the last 30 years it's a familiar pattern to other once big clubs, 20 odd years ago challenging for titles, 10 years or so challenging for a top four place and last 6 or 7 years ago trying to break into the top 6, it's just been a gradual decline over the years, instead of looking up at clubs Like Chelsea, Arsenal, United and City we are now looking over our shoulders at Clubs like Everton, West Ham, Stoke, Southampton and West Broms... So??? What are we supposed to do then?
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The definition of a mid table club is you are in the middle of the premier league listings which we are
A mid table club all day long we can produce a decent performance but not every week which is why we are where we are Could you plz give me a Yes or No answer: Is Chelsea a midtable club? I would say they are a top club who has had a bad season, United are a top Club who have had two bad seasons, City are a top Club who have also had a bad season, then you come to Arsenal a toppish Club maybe who has had about 10 poor seasons then you get to Liverpool mid table club who apart from the miracle of Istanbul is a mid table Club who have had 26 poor seasons and Everton also mid table with 29 poor seasons... In terms of revenue we are the 5th highest club, in terms of results including cup competition we are also about there, so mathematically speaking we are about there. What do you mean by mid table team?
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so how long do you give it then before people admit we are no longer a top aide, what I mean is the excuses people have been making has gone on now for over 20 years so if it hasn't worked by now why do people suddenly think it will work in the next five, ten or twenty years. I just think we had our time and that's what happens. If you look at what's happend over the last 30 years it's a familiar pattern to other once big clubs, 20 odd years ago challenging for titles, 10 years or so challenging for a top four place and last 6 or 7 years ago trying to break into the top 6, it's just been a gradual decline over the years, instead of looking up at clubs Like Chelsea, Arsenal, United and City we are now looking over our shoulders at Clubs like Everton, West Ham, Stoke, Southampton and West Broms... I don't think I'll ever stop thinking it and when I do I'll stop supporting as what's the point? I'm realistic about our chances with the likes of Chelsea, City, Utd and Arsenals spending power compared to ours but the day we give up is the day we quit and I'm not doing that. We've now got a great manager and we have more money than all but those named above so I don't think it's a case of looking over our shoulders at all. If FSG give Klopp time and give him what he wants in terms of transfers and don't interfere we'll be challenging for top 4 and more and I don't see why any LFC supporter would want or settle for less. I'm sure there's not a football supporter in the land that doesn't go into a season thinking they can get something out of it no matter how realistic (or deluded) some might think.
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The definition of a mid table club is you are in the middle of the premier league listings which we are
A mid table club all day long we can produce a decent performance but not every week which is why we are where we are Could you plz give me a Yes or No answer: Is Chelsea a midtable club? I would say they are a top club who has had a bad season, United are a top Club who have had two bad seasons, City are a top Club who have also had a bad season, then you come to Arsenal a toppish Club maybe who has had about 10 poor seasons then you get to Liverpool mid table club who apart from the miracle of Istanbul is a mid table Club who have had 26 poor seasons and Everton also mid table with 29 poor seasons... In terms of revenue we are the 5th highest club, in terms of results including cup competition we are also about there, so mathematically speaking we are about there. What do you mean by mid table team?
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Can I ask this question can a team that averages a top 6 or 7 finish every season make the jump to champions consistently there or thereabouts each season just by having s good manager. I think this season could be s perfect situation, Spurs have on paper a quality manager and Leicester also have a good manager with a decent proven record, will this alone keep those two teams consistently in the top three or four places when the big four get themselves right or will the money the big boys have prove the difference.
Klopp might prove to be a good manager however I just think a good or a very good manager can only go so far and the money and power of the big clubs will always prove the differencr nine out of ten times...
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if leicester city win the league which they should do with some very very ordinary players but a good manager , makes me think any team could be champions in the future .
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The days of an established top four could be gone, even if many of us believe leicester are merely one season wonders, which I don't completely buy into but would be happier if it does end up that way. football is a confidence game, while the citys arsenals and chelseas still have good squads which they'll look to improve in the summer, they can't win matches so much on reputation anymore, I don't think normal service will completely be resumed without more parity in the premier league, as we've seen this season. basically the battle could continue and we have to be ready
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I agree with Torres. I don't think we'll see such an established top 4, or table in general for that matter. Utd are dire and have shown (as we have to a certain extent) that just throwing money around won't get you very far. Arsenal have done the opposite in that they don't spend huge sums but have a very good established manager and can maintain their position.
For me, we have a good manager, decent amounts of money to be spent and if spent in the right way I see no reason we can't challenge at least for top 4. This will obviously depend a bit on FSG and what they let Klopp do.
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Bournemouth, Newcastle and Southamption have good managers so people can see these Clubs winning the English Premier League in the next 10 years then...
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