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I like to blame managers as they are provided with everythin they need to be successful so if they under perform or don't hit target then there heads should CHEESE roll... We should lose cup finals more often, it seems to lighten you up a bit. I wonder why that could be... think deep down we all knew we would get beat, people never listened when I said it was all about what City did no matter how well we might play, City played at about 70% and it was still good enough to restrict us to our first shot on 83 mins. Just hard cheese I suppose...oops wrong thread... How can a team play at 70% in a cup final? Another stupid comment, nothing new actually.
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The squad he's inherited isn't that bad. 2 or 3 good players in the summer and we should have the quality to properly compete for top 4.
There hasn't been a reaction since Klopp took over like Tom Werner was expecting. And also, he didn't have to pick Moreno in the cup final either.
If we won the Europa by some miracle then I would class this season as a successful one, but otherwise I we will be waiting until next season to see what Klopp can do.
About the most sensible/fair and measured post I've ever read from you RS. Hopefully it continues. However, with others all likely to strengthen, I think 4 or 5 will be needed to ensure the necessary depth by the time August comes around but we'll see how easy it is to move big salaried underachievers on.
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
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Not seen a quantum improvement from Rodgers are we better ? Perhaps but you would need a detailed analysis to spot it. Hopefully it's a gradual thing and they will start out the blocks next season a step up. Going to a cup final and qualifying for the next round of the Europa League is a factual improvement, is that detailed enough for you? What did you expect, we would be challenging for the league right now? You were as negative against KD, in fact, we've won nothing since he's left, hind sight is a great thing to have, isn't it? Do you class that as improvement ? My god expectations are lower than I thought no I did not us to win the league but mid table and no chance of champions league qualification (what matters in modern football) was not my thoughts when he took over I thought we would have made more progress. But I am happy with Klopp and prepared to give him a chance looking forward to seeing how he rebuilds close season but I am entitled to comment on progress to date which I think is not much if I am honest Improvement is improvement and is factual, nothing to do with anybody's expectation. You can say it is not enough, but it is progress nevertheless. Do you know that Rodgers never went to any final and struggled big time in Europe?
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It may or may not be improvement but you can't remove expectation from football otherwise what is there. Klopp has so far said the right things talked a good game but on the field there has been no discernible improvement as far as I can see. The comparison is not with Rodgers but past Liverpool managers to me he is above Rodgers dalglish and Hodgson but below the rest from shankly on in my assessment based on to date but Klopp has time on his side and I am reasonably confident it will come right for him but if we are in this place this time next year he will get a rough ride
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It may or may not be improvement but you can't remove expectation from football otherwise what is there. Klopp has so far said the right things talked a good game but on the field there has been no discernible improvement as far as I can see. The comparison is not with Rodgers but past Liverpool managers to me he is above Rodgers dalglish and Hodgson but below the rest from shankly on in my assessment based on to date but Klopp has time on his side and I am reasonably confident it will come right for him but if we are in this place this time next year he will get a rough ride Who said you have to remove expectations, I said if you analyse a little bit you will already see an improvement from what Rodgers did with the same team, but then, it all depends whether you can analyse or not.
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It may or may not be improvement but you can't remove expectation from football otherwise what is there. Klopp has so far said the right things talked a good game but on the field there has been no discernible improvement as far as I can see. The comparison is not with Rodgers but past Liverpool managers to me he is above Rodgers dalglish and Hodgson but below the rest from shankly on in my assessment based on to date but Klopp has time on his side and I am reasonably confident it will come right for him but if we are in this place this time next year he will get a rough ride Who said you have to remove expectations, I said if you analyse a little bit you will already see an improvement from what Rodgers did with the same team, but then, it all depends whether you can analyse or not. Analyse is not a word I would use in relation to football an accountancy or insurance loss report yes football no football is a leisure activity. And we appointed Klopp to win titles not improve a little on Rodgers performance.
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It may or may not be improvement but you can't remove expectation from football otherwise what is there. Klopp has so far said the right things talked a good game but on the field there has been no discernible improvement as far as I can see. The comparison is not with Rodgers but past Liverpool managers to me he is above Rodgers dalglish and Hodgson but below the rest from shankly on in my assessment based on to date but Klopp has time on his side and I am reasonably confident it will come right for him but if we are in this place this time next year he will get a rough ride Who said you have to remove expectations, I said if you analyse a little bit you will already see an improvement from what Rodgers did with the same team, but then, it all depends whether you can analyse or not. Analyse is not a word I would use in relation to football an accountancy or insurance loss report yes football no football is a leisure activity. And we appointed Klopp to win titles not improve a little on Rodgers performance. Go back to your posts and you'll see who mentioned the word 'analyse' first. Those who expected us to start winning titles as soon as Klopp took over are just deluded. You need to keep on improving first and then think about trophies, otherwise a David Copperfield should have taken over, he would have made you believe we are winning Titles
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I don't recall anyone saying they thought Klopp would win us the title this year but most including myself) thought there would be a tangible improvement. If there has been an improvement we would need a spreadsheet to work it out. Normally when a top manager comes in there is a bounce it's never happened that does not mean Klopp won't be a success though. As for your assertion Klopp got us to the Europa quarter final and capital cup final and Rodgers didn't there is a good reason for that Rodgers was sacked we can speculate but never say for sure what Rodgers might have done or not.
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Why do people keep talking about titles....ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN...the days when we won leagues are well gone, people who talk league titles are just making it harder for us to progress as a club, the unrealistic expectation levels are killing us, we are and always will be a top 6 club st the most with maybe an odd top 3 or 4 place every 10 or 12 years or so...
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We challenged 2 years ago. Leicester are challenging this season. I hope you can understand this I made it very simple.
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